Lighter doesn't mean weaker. There are all types of new materials which are stronger than fiberglass and wood, yet lighter than they had 20 years ago.

I keep hearing closer in towards the fans and inshore racing. A 7ft wave is a 7 ft wave closer to shore or farther out. Sometimes you get smooth water sometimes you don't.


How could Reggie get "spanked in the 80's" when he didn't start racing until 1990 ? When he started racing he won, actually dominated right from the start.

But the heavier the slower so there is a trade off. I'll bet the new Apaches would crush the older Apaches in any weather because of newer technology.

WOW! How about some more pictures and info?

you're right lighter doesnt mean weaker, but a certain amount of weight is needed. If I remeber correctly Craig Barrie made a super light 38 or 42 that bounced all over, wouldnt cut through the waves. a winning combo is exactly that a combo.

I, for one, could care less about what Fountain's accomplishments are. Especially in a thread titled Cigarette Vs. Apache.

Good Lord Thats one bad looking motor scooter

47 foot can of whoop a$$!!!

This is all a good debate and that's what is great about this site. But I strongly suggest, if you ever have the opportunity, to go out on an Apache or a straight bottomed large cigarette in big water so you can actually exprerience the difference. I have, there is a ride quality difference I can assure you of that.

Yup same here ..personaly sick of fountains , there everywhere, havnt changed in what 25 years ..mass produced = boring ..and the dash layout is a joke , cant see half the gauges and a one foot square area for a stereo remote .. Drove one last summer and could not get used to the controls being vertical and set up for a dukey.
Isnt there a fountain thread somewhere

Saber has the apache 41 mold so i would guess it is just as good in the rough as any cig or apache.

What no murders???

I believe the saber may be a bit straighter than an apache