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Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by Hauling Trash
Trent
You got to get all the facts about Key West before you talk .................. Mike Not a prob bud, since your team is racing in Sarasota(so I hear), you and I can visit the principal's office and get the facts straight from the source, thats where i got them the first time. You personally know me, I aint the brightest light bulb in the lot, but I certainly dont believe anything that is posted on here until I verify it from those actually involved. |
Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by sharkeymarine
Some reading for you....... ;)
Reggie Not Wanting Mike to Play And for the record, it was not just the OL that was turned away. There were a few boats from other manufacturers that wanted to run in that class as well. All denied the chance... :( But you knew that..... :drink: :D :D :D Tim I agree with you totally concerning the insurance concerns and for the normal open cockpit poker runners. Unfortuately I have only been able to do 1 poker run in my life and it involved 40 ft sportfisher to seadoo jet boats. In fact I think I was in the only performance boat at that particular run. We lost one motor after the first stop and did 35 mph the rest of the time and had a total blast. Race boats should be on the race course. |
Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by sharkeymarine
Ok........
I tried to stay away from the keyboard....but... Some call this Marketing ? :confused: At what expense? I wonder how many people in that Poker Run or future Poker Runners will not return now because of this... :( Was this even announced that this was going to happen at the Safety Meeting prior to the Run? It may be hard to believe, but there are people that do Poker Runs for the fun of boating together and they do not want to participate in a race. Reading that a fleet of Poker Run boats were idling through a No Wake Zone and suddenly have a Race boat pass them at hi speed would certainly shake a few people that had their families out for the day on the run. Sure, someone will bring up the NY Run. But in years prior, it was announced that there would be a challenge of 1st to the Bridge. They also had a separate start for this. As of this year, after the Safety Summit in Miami and the Insurance Companies decided to lay down the rules, the King of the Hudson has been eliminated from the NY Run. Will this be a trend throughout the rest of the Poker Runs? Was the Insurance company for the Jax Run aware they were insuring a race? Being as it sounds like from so many people that this was pre-planned. Or perhaps "if" an incident occurred, the Insurance Company wouldn't have been liable to pay out because they weren't insuring a race. I'm not taking any credit away from Fountain for what they have been able to get that Vee Bottom to do, but if they want to challenge people to a race, than do it in a proper manner. He had a full opportunity to do it at the worlds last year in Key West. Why were they so afraid of competition then and would not let other's compete in Super Vee Unlimited? Oh yeah that's right, a World Championship Title was at risk.... :rolleyes: So he went out and beat himself without even completeing one lap... I will go out on a limb here. With the confidence they have now, and Reggie will need something spectacular to bring people to Key West this year, I predict an Open Invitation to race him in Key West this year! If they haven't already planned that, then maybe they should! It certainly would be worth advertising and watching... May the best team win! :drink: |
Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by hammer01
NOT TO STIR THE POT, BUT IF YOU LOOK OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, DONZI AND SKATER'S VEES HAVE BEEN IN THE WINNER'S CIRCLE FOR NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS. THE INCLUDES SUPERMAN, ROSS'S DONZI AND JBS RACING. I WOULD NOT SAY FOUNTAIN HAS TOTALLY DOMINATED. GREAT BOATS BUT THERE IS GETTING TO BE WAY TOO MUCH B.S. IN THE AIR.
Typical style, Reggie takes a pot shot then runs & hides. |
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What's new... Reggie has been doing this for years. He used to bring Ohio Steel to Poker Runs back in the early 90's and run flat out to every card stop. Most of the big Poker Runs are a sample of Offshore boaters - everything from families with the dog to closed canopies. Some want to casually run and some want to run hot - just like any other day on the water. If you don't want to engage another boat the choice is yours. If the Host's don't want the speed at their event then put a pace boat out.
Just because Reggie does his usual Barnum Bailey thing doesn't mean anything has changed. We have known for years that he will seize any opportunity to present his product and himself - its his job. |
Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by articfriends
Last time I saw a 150 mph v-hull in a pokerun things didn't :( go so well,Smitty
artic, that comment is completely uncalled for and idiotic. First of all, That was a privately owned boat with no racing intentions. It was a pleasure boat!!! Second, That boat was not entered in a poker run with a helicopter following it filming with the intent to race un expected people and create an add campaign about it. The jacksonville "cat killer" event doesn't come close to resembling the unfortunate incident in Michigan. FYI - I have personaly attended over 50 poker runs, with boats capable of running 140+ and even 170+, and that was the only Poker run where there was an incident. The accident that you made reference to was a freak accident, that ocured at speeds below 100 mph, and they were not racing anybody, they were by themselves when the accident happened. So please try to find a relevent comparison to the current situation before you drag my friends memory through the mud! |
Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by F1-00 Racing
I want to thank you for wasteing about an hour of my time, lets see to sum it up, I saw a guy that goes by the name of "Animalhouse" that claims that OL will be on the race course this year. Where are they???????? Where is the closed air force base gps cigarette at???????? OL who knows, I heard rumours(not confirmed) that cig gave up their aspirations of a race program, hence the reason Benny is no longer with them(not a rumour)
Tim I agree with you totally concerning the insurance concerns and for the normal open cockpit poker runners. Unfortuately I have only been able to do 1 poker run in my life and it involved 40 ft sportfisher to seadoo jet boats. In fact I think I was in the only performance boat at that particular run. We lost one motor after the first stop and did 35 mph the rest of the time and had a total blast. Race boats should be on the race course. The plans for an OL race program is still very mutch in the works, and the reason for OL not racing yet has nothing to do with Reggie or anybody else but the customers of Outerlimits Outerlimits is having a slight problem that most manufacturers would like to have, they are sold out and are focusing their attention on filling customer orders. There will be a time and a place for racing, and it is coming!! By the way, I have read this thread and all linked to it, and I think this sucks. There is no need to pull a stunt like this. It proves nothing. In regards to Key West, we were told that we were welcome to race, drove down there, and then we were told that we were not allowed to race, even for exibition only after we drove 30 hours straight. But that is not the focus of this thread, and it still does not excuse the fact that this publicity stunt has potentialy set back the eforts that Poker run organizers have worked for to clean up the image of poker runs. |
Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by RedDog382
Mike,
With all due respect, weren't you the one who started the thread on Ben's motorcycle accident? Aren't you the one who uses his own personal trajedy to discourage others from participatiing in "unsafe" activities? I'm sure if the back seat had survived the SOTW incident, they would be attempting to discourage this type of reckless pursuit of bragging rights. I think it's great that Reggie has built a fast boat. But pulling this on a open course and gloating about it in the manner he did is totally irresponsible. Roger Penske built a fast car too, but I don't think he would turn Sam Hornish and his 240 m.p.h. race car loose to challenge anything on a public highway. I didn't hear him talking about how his car blew away the Corvette pace car. How about having a little class? If he wants to set records and establish bragging rights, do it on a closed course. I was at SMOTW and had to attend the funeral of my friend (20 yrs old) These two incidents are not even remotely related. The boat at smoke was not out trying to destroy the fleet, it was an accident that occured where the boat was already past the card stop, and he wasn't racing anybody. I understand your need to bring up a comparison to help prove your point, but this incident doesn't help make that arguement any stronger. The major difference between Jacksonville and Smoke was that the OL that rolled over was not purposely racing other boats for the purpose of shooting a television commercial. The accident at smoke happened below 100 mph and was an accident. I just don't like that unfortunate incident being dragged into this rediculous specticle. The two situations are completely different. Fred |
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Red Dog,
If Johhny was still alive, he would be not be discouraging people from attending poker runs. He would be defending a sport that he loves, and unfortunately he died as a result of an accident, not an attempt to promote bragging rights. When we get in these boats, we all know that there are risks and dangers in running a boat at these speeds. |
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Fred,
All due respect to your friend and your loss. I know how much it hurts. The point I am trying to make with my reference the SOTW incident is ACCIDENTS DO HAPPEN! I deal with the consequences of accidents every time I go to work and in my personal life as well. It only takes a split second of misjudgement that can never be replayed. It isn't simply attending a poker run that I have reservations about, it's the incessant need to outdo the next guy at speeds that frankly become unsafe when there are not appropriate rescue resources and boat safety features (ie enclosed canopy, 4 point harness, air, etc) that would protect the occupants in the event of an unexpected trip/stuff, hook/roll, rogue wave inducing a barrel roll, or collision with another vessel. In this particular case, the guys in the Fountain race boat would probably be the safest ... it's everyone else that wouldn't have a chance. If you watch the video closely, you can see other boats in the not so distant background heading in the opposite direction of the race boat in question. If that boat is travelling at 170 mph and the oncoming (non-participating) boats are travelling say 50 mph, closing speed is in excess of 220 mph. To me, that just plain lacks common sense. It is obviously disturbing to me that a "professinal" and supposed "leader" in the boating industry would pull a publicity stunt like this for his own gain without due regard for the safety of the general boating public. I think it was irresponsible and displays poor judgement. I am not claiming "the sky is falling" ... I am merely trying to implore people use common sense and not let good judgement be overwhelmed by the trill of competition. |
Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by woogie
What's new... Reggie has been doing this for years. He used to bring Ohio Steel to Poker Runs back in the early 90's and run flat out to every card stop. Most of the big Poker Runs are a sample of Offshore boaters - everything from families with the dog to closed canopies. Some want to casually run and some want to run hot - just like any other day on the water. If you don't want to engage another boat the choice is yours. If the Host's don't want the speed at their event then put a pace boat out.
Just because Reggie does his usual Barnum Bailey thing doesn't mean anything has changed. We have known for years that he will seize any opportunity to present his product and himself - its his job. |
Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by woogie
What's new... Reggie has been doing this for years. He used to bring Ohio Steel to Poker Runs back in the early 90's and run flat out to every card stop. Most of the big Poker Runs are a sample of Offshore boaters - everything from families with the dog to closed canopies. Some want to casually run and some want to run hot - just like any other day on the water. If you don't want to engage another boat the choice is yours. If the Host's don't want the speed at their event then put a pace boat out.
Just because Reggie does his usual Barnum Bailey thing doesn't mean anything has changed. We have known for years that he will seize any opportunity to present his product and himself - its his job. Exactly....! |
Re: Cat Killer !
RedDog,
well said, I don't mean to be beating people up about the mere mention of this accident, but I do not agree with the comparison. Unfortunately in this situation in jacksonville could have been catastrophic, and could have been viewed as pre-meditated carelessness. Especcially when somebody is pushing 150+ through no wake zones and endangering everybody around them. The Jacksonville poker run is a good event that was put on to support local law enforcement, not piss them off. Like most people has said in this thread, this is nothing new from Reggie, he does what it takes to win races, even when they weren't races to begin with........ |
Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by RedDog382
In this particular case, the guys in the Fountain race boat would probably be the safest ... it's everyone else that wouldn't have a chance.
If you watch the video closely, you can see other boats in the not so distant background heading in the opposite direction of the race boat in question. If that boat is travelling at 170 mph and the oncoming (non-participating) boats are travelling say 50 mph, closing speed is in excess of 220 mph. To me, that just plain lacks common sense. I guess we pull out the Fountain and ignore all the other 120 plus mph boats that were in attendance? I watched another poker run video here a while back and the guy was doing 160 mph with a bunch of passengers and I heard ZERO complaints. Why is that? Get two 110 mph boats going the opposite direction and what do you have if they collide? The same collision speeds. Your assertion also lacks common sense. |
Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by Fanatic
I watched another poker run video here a while back and the guy was doing 160 mph with a bunch of passengers and I heard ZERO complaints. Why is that?
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Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by Fanatic
I watched another poker run video here a while back and the guy was doing 160 mph with a bunch of passengers and I heard ZERO complaints. Why is that?.
Because Reggie wasn't in that video. If this didn't involve Fountain, this thread and the others would be on Page 50 by now. |
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Cuda,
Stop typing faster than I can :D |
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Face it. Reggie Fountain could cure cancer, and end world hunger, and OSO would still be talking about his hair . . .
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Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by cuda
Because it wasn't Reggie.
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Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by rouxsterre
Face it. Reggie Fountain could cure cancer, and end world hunger, and OSO would still be talking about his hair . . .
Donald Trump could even give him hair pointers ! :D |
Re: Cat Killer !
He should follow Bob Teague's lead . . . things would be a lot quieter around here. And he might be a couple MPH faster as a result.
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Would SR really have been doing 150-170 if Rio wasn't egging them on........ :rolleyes:
This was an attack on a group, but also SR. Notice even in the pre-run idle zone they were sure to single out SR whenever possible. :rolleyes: I'm sure there have been many vids(I've seen the Predator) that show cats running fast and loose. The difference is none of them sent out a PRESS RELEASE afterwards. |
Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by CASH BAR
Would SR really have been doing 150-170 if Rio wasn't egging them on........ :rolleyes:
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Really?
SR would just be MAXING out his equipment when he was running ALONE(if no Rio) more than 1 mile ahead. :rolleyes: RACERS back off when they have a lead.....just common sense. |
Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by Fanatic
I see you chose to ignore the fact the cats were running 150 plus as well.
I guess we pull out the Fountain and ignore all the other 120 plus mph boats that were in attendance? I watched another poker run video here a while back and the guy was doing 160 mph with a bunch of passengers and I heard ZERO complaints. Why is that? Get two 110 mph boats going the opposite direction and what do you have if they collide? The same collision speeds. Your assertion also lacks common sense. I'm not condoning or supporting others (non-fountians) for doing the same. However, I do feel that as a professional and leader in the boating industry, one is held to a higher standard. My opinion is obviously different than yours, so why don't we just agree to disagree ... |
Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by RedDog382
If you read my earlier post to Fever Mike, I clearly stated it isn't about Fountain or Speed Racer or whoever else is claiming to have "destroyed the fleet". My point is (again) that if this is one's intention, it should be done on a closed race course where the general boating public is not put in harm's way.
I'm not condoning or supporting others (non-fountians) for doing the same. However, I do feel that as a professional and leader in the boating industry, one is held to a higher standard. My opinion is obviously different than yours, so why don't we just agree to disagree ... |
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RedDog, it's all good! :drink:
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Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by animalhouse
RedDog,
well said, I don't mean to be beating people up about the mere mention of this accident, Chris |
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Originally Posted by FeverMike
RedDog, it's all good! :drink:
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Re: Cat Killer !
http://www.superboat.com/events.cfm?...=details&ID=68
August 4th Friday....Kilo run at Fountain Factory....dead line th enter is July 17th. Who really wants some of the Cat Killer........You would think it would be there????? |
Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by blume
http://www.superboat.com/events.cfm?...=details&ID=68
August 4th Friday....Kilo run at Fountain Factory....dead line to enter is July 17th. Who really wants some of the Cat Killer........You would think it would be there????? Does that go for the races too ? You would think with the attendance at recent events, they would allow anyone to sign up even the day before.... :confused: |
Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by blume
http://www.superboat.com/events.cfm?...=details&ID=68
August 4th Friday....Kilo run at Fountain Factory....dead line th enter is July 17th. Who really wants some of the Cat Killer........You would think it would be there????? |
Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by LostinBoston
So I'm gussing that you have to have a SBI race boat to participate in the kilo run. Which would eliminate Speed Racer, since its a PLEASURE boat. PLus which supercats are attending that race? probably none, since most are racing OSS. I think ill schedule a kilo run in my backyard where no body will attend and then claim my nor-tech to be the fastest boat on the water since no body challenged me.
Isn't that similar to how we now have the Super Vee Unlimited World Champion ? |
Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by LostinBoston
So I'm gussing that you have to have a SBI race boat to participate in the kilo run.
as far as the deadline for the kilo registration, if you are gonna try and run with the Cat Killer, I would sure thing you would know it 2 weeks before the event, not 2 hours. Seems to me they kept it open last year for another boat company that never ran |
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i want to see this 42 RR Cig that skater put the top on run 185///
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Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by LostinBoston
So I'm gussing that you have to have a SBI race boat to participate in the kilo run. Which would eliminate Speed Racer, since its a PLEASURE boat. PLus which supercats are attending that race? probably none, since most are racing OSS. I think ill schedule a kilo run in my backyard where no body will attend and then claim my nor-tech to be the fastest boat on the water since no body challenged me.
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Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by the duke
Where does it say that? Not anywhere that I read.
as far as the deadline for the kilo registration, if you are gonna try and run with the Cat Killer, I would sure thing you would know it 2 weeks before the event, not 2 hours. Seems to me they kept it open last year for another boat company that never ran |
Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by CASH BAR
Two years ago.......
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Does anyone remember Reggie taking out full page ads in magazines touting his new partnership with Randy Scism. Fountain/Scism cats were to be marketed to the public. That's right, Elvis was putting his boat name on an MTI to get into the cat game. :p
If you can't beat um, join um, if you can't join um, make up lies about moping up on everyone at a non sanctioned "race". BTW My 2-year old knows what No-Wake buoys are for :evilb: |
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