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Originally Posted by RedDog382
I'm really sorry that you don't get my point Mike. It's not about Fountian or Speed Racer, or whoever else is fastest.
As an ER physician. I have seen all to many people die prematurely. Speed is an addiction. Six years ago, I lost my best friend due to a tragic accident that involved an addiction of another form. He had beaten that addiction for 18 years, but it killed him in the end. He died alone in front of Subway in a parking lot at sunset in Key West. Life has not been the same since. Seven years ago, I was the first official to arrive at the scene when the tire came of the CART car at MIS and three people died. When the news reported recussitative efforts were initiated on one individual, that was me at work. I was there when Roger Penske personally spoke at the Critical Incident Stress Debriefing for MIS employees. The man had tears in his eyes as he spoke to his employees because it happened at "his" track. He showed class. I arrived at Grand Haven Saturday evening last July and my heart sank when I heard the news of the accident. I doubt I could have made a difference if I had been there personally. I love speed and performance boating, too. But life can change/end in an instant. My point is this ... are egos, bragging rights, and macho BS really worth the risk we take running at these speeds? I would think that you of all people would understand my concern. It is more concerning to me as a professional that a boat builder would promote this kind of competition in a setting not prepared to deal properly with an accident. There is a time and place for everything, and a open course with recreational boaters and general public is not the place for it. If someone wants to "crush the fleet", do it on a closed race course where you are not risking other peoples lifes. As far as the Fountain race boat at the Poker Run...well it probably had to be the safest really fast boat out there, correct? On the other hand I did not know you are an ER doctor...man....I can't imagine the stuff you see! With out my ER doctor and my ER vascular surgeon I would have died and all the ER nuses and ICU nurses plus my orothpedic surgeon bolting me all back together...those people are my angels! When ever I go see my doctors for check ups from my accident I can't help it but my eyes get all watery...I love those people dearly and they have no idea how many times a week I think of them still to this day. |
Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by the duke
I can appreciate your point about life changing in an instant. I've seen a 40 mph death because of a stupid driver action, and I saw Dale Earnhardt die at 180 mph on a race track in a race car. My point is that it can happen to anyone anytime by doing something wrong, or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
You said that you love speed and performance boats but then when Fountain comes out and says that he was faster than Cats, you say its wrong. You can't have it both ways. If Fountain was wrong in a race boat, then how wrong was Speed racer, and all the other boats that were running at speeds above 150 mph? I'd say that the race boat was a lot safer place to be at that speed than any other boat on the course. How fast was the SOTW boat going when he made the mistake. My understanding was it was no where near 150. So the speed didn't cause the accident. What difference does it make that Fountain bragged about his speed? Just because he's a boat builder? If one of the cats had run 200, and bragged about it, everyone would say wow, thats really great. When its printed that Jet Set runs 180+ in an open Cat in Extreme Boats everyone thinks its great. But just because Fountain said it, its not okay. Again, I appreciate your opinions as you see the worst in the ER, but People have been bragging about there boat speeds for ever, and they always will. Fountain doing it is no better and no worse. |
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Originally Posted by articfriends
I hate to keep dragging up SOTW but being you mentioned it the story we heard while on the run was the OL THOUGHT he was keeping up or spanking all the big boys in their CATS running between 130-150 when THEY (the cat drivers) started to turn for the first card stop he rocketed by them then realized he was missing the turn,slowed to between 80-100 mph and flipped trying to turn,bad judgement that was costly. Can't compare a new driver in a 140 mph OL to reggie driving a race boat BUT for anyone to say the SAFEST boat to be in during the run we are talking about is a 160 mph fountain v-hull is a stretch at the very least,Smitty
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Originally Posted by the duke
I can appreciate your point about life changing in an instant. I've seen a 40 mph death because of a stupid driver action, and I saw Dale Earnhardt die at 180 mph on a race track in a race car. My point is that it can happen to anyone anytime by doing something wrong, or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
You said that you love speed and performance boats but then when Fountain comes out and says that he was faster than Cats, you say its wrong. You can't have it both ways. If Fountain was wrong in a race boat, then how wrong was Speed racer, and all the other boats that were running at speeds above 150 mph? I'd say that the race boat was a lot safer place to be at that speed than any other boat on the course. How fast was the SOTW boat going when he made the mistake. My understanding was it was no where near 150. So the speed didn't cause the accident. What difference does it make that Fountain bragged about his speed? Just because he's a boat builder? If one of the cats had run 200, and bragged about it, everyone would say wow, thats really great. When its printed that Jet Set runs 180+ in an open Cat in Extreme Boats everyone thinks its great. But just because Fountain said it, its not okay. Again, I appreciate your opinions as you see the worst in the ER, but People have been bragging about there boat speeds for ever, and they always will. Fountain doing it is no better and no worse. I just don't agree with a prominent professional in the industry promoting, encouraging, and (if I can use the word) taunting people to engage in this kind of competition when there are not provisions made to deal properly with an accident. I just feel it is irresponsible and not in the best interest of the sport. Even on race courses with proper rescue resources, how many have people have died: Jack Storelle Randy Linebach Jack Carmondy Tom Gentry Coincidentally this past weekend, I spoke to one of the divers initially on the scene at SOTW. They still have not found the missing persons body. :( I'm not isolating the specific boat builder or trying to be pissy ... I just hope people will use common sense and avoid another trajedy. |
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Interesting thread to say the least. I must also say that i am impressed with they way everyone has been respectful of each other and understanding that everyone is entitled to their own opinion of the events.
My .02 has to do with not so much the drivers in the pokerrun, because we all know that 99% of the drivers in the run are qualified and experienced enough to operate their boat at speeds they feel are safe. My worry is about the family of 4 that are out on the water for a day of fishing that most likely has no idea that 40-100 boats may be heading right for them at seriously crazy speeds. I know that the water was very flat that day in Jax, but had there been 4 footers you might not have been able to see a 18-25' runabout until it was to late. I ran in a much smaller poker run over this last weekend in WI with about 45-55 boats entered. We were warned at the drivers meeting that there was a 300 boat fishing tournament going on that day also. Even though my boat only runs low 80's, and i knew ahead of time to lookout for fishing boats, I still found it very hard to see them in the 5' chop until they were almost to close for comfort. I cannot see how it would be possible to be sure that the "coast was clear" on public waterways. I have nothing against fountain, and am not really angry with the press release........but please, pokers runs are not a race, and that is clearly what fountain set out to do that day. - Andrew |
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Originally Posted by FeverMike
Redog, seriously what is your point? You make no sense comparing apples and oranges.... Talk about having class...geesh...bringing up my accident and comparing it to some fast boats in a poker run isTOTALLY classless, my dear friend. :mad:
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Originally Posted by TRICK
1. No one was injured at the Jax Poker Run.
2. I'm not aware of any close calls with spectator boats or dangerous incidents. In fact there was little boat traffic other than the poker run participants. 3. I personally enjoyed seeing the new Fountain race boat at the event. I wasn't alone in that respect. It was nice to see some industry personalities. Reggie, Skip, Mike Fiore and the NorTech boys. It all adds color to the event. 4. As a participant in the event, I just don't see all the "safety outrage" being tossed around in this thread. The speculation of outrageous or dangerous driving just didn't happen. 5. If you're point is you think Fountain press release is inappropriate or poor judgment, that's another matter. If insurance issues as a result of the press release are your hot button, again, that might be debatable. But as far as a race boat at a Poker Run and all the speculation of reckless behavior, this post is just so much hot air. Score one for the Reggie publicity machine. Once again he has everyone talking. Brand recognition and top of mind awareness are much sought after. |
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Originally Posted by TRICK
5. If you're point is you think Fountain press release is inappropriate or poor judgment, that's another matter. If insurance issues as a result of the press release are your hot button, again, that might be debatable.
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Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by TRICK
1. No one was injured at the Jax Poker Run.
2. I'm not aware of any close calls with spectator boats or dangerous incidents. In fact there was little boat traffic other than the poker run participants. 3. I personally enjoyed seeing the new Fountain race boat at the event. I wasn't alone in that respect. It was nice to see some industry personalities. Reggie, Skip, Mike Fiore and the NorTech boys. It all adds color to the event. 4. As a participant in the event, I just don't see all the "safety outrage" being tossed around in this thread. The speculation of outrageous or dangerous driving just didn't happen. 5. If you're point is you think Fountain press release is inappropriate or poor judgment, that's another matter. If insurance issues as a result of the press release are your hot button, again, that might be debatable. But as far as a race boat at a Poker Run and all the speculation of reckless behavior, this post is just so much hot air. Score one for the Reggie publicity machine. Once again he has everyone talking. Brand recognition and top of mind awareness are much sought after. If the sky does fall, I'm sure Reggie will get blamed for that too. |
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Originally Posted by offshoredrillin
I disagree, if people disagree with you you write that we are jealous stupid and now classless. He called a spade a spade. Yet it's is 100% alright for you to speak out on motorcycles in the name of safety, yet we speak on on poteential detriment to something we enjoy and we are called the above..
sorry offshoredrillin you are way off base on this one or trying to compared the guy who hit me while I was riding my motorcycle to Speed Racer and Rio Roses running way out front in a Poker Run! |
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The press release is one sided, where is the MTI guy being interviewed and saying "yeah, we lost" or is it like they said "we ran back and forth for the lead". In a poker run as a spectator the observer dosent know when a boat is at maxium effort or just playing. A race we understand, a poker run... not enough information to go on.
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Originally Posted by FeverMike
Yes for me to speak on motorcycles about safety because a lot of people do not wear the proper safety equipment. Motorcycles are far more dangerous than running a canopied boat at speed...
First off I NEVER said speed was my issue with this incident, it was the statementand as Fred stated it will be up for debate for a while I'm sure, but to me dealing with insurance companies daily i know the lenghts they go to to save money. Ask any person that has gotten cancelled as their tag was written down at a drag strip, you can say it doesnt happen but i've seen it first hand. My rates went up 10% this year for no reason, I have no claims, am 42 years old have a spotless driving record, own two business and pay more tax than the avg person. Secondly to address your issue of speed, you state yourself that your accident happened when another driver came in your space, the canopied race boat is the only boat on the water? So I guess the other 100 or so participants werent there? We are indeed comparing apples to apples and you are just wrong. These are the limits of my policy from Ace, if you want to verify them call Sy goldberg; " No coverage is afforded under this policy for any loss or damage caused by or resulting from any accident during any race or speed test" With foolish statements flying around and the insurance company trying to save 150k just on my boat alone, do you realize if they denied the claim how much a person would have to pay to fight them in court? not to mention all the costs of fixing the boat if you lose and even to keep up payments and insurance during the down time? all they have to say is you were on a "poker run" and according to this statement it is a test of speed. "claim denied". so the next statement is how will they know you were in a poker run, well sure enough, there is enough pics around and people talking...In case you didnt know the majority of private investigators are employed by insurance companies to track fraud. then you get nailed for filing a false report? wouldnt it be better for a few people to just restrain their egos instead of potentially ruining things for everyone...think it can't happen, go to mcdonalds and spill some hot coffee on yourself. |
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Since I am a speed junkie and believe in do as I say, not as I do. I don't think anybody can say with a straight face that is very safe to drive down a four lane open public highway at 170mph. It does not matter if it is a race car driver or joe blow. It is the unknown public and hidden hazards that make it dangerous. That is why at nascar races and other racing events they do not let the public run out on the track with them and if something comes on the track, they make the racers stop till it is cleared. I drive everyday on the Turnpike in oklahoma ( because we have all the turnpikes) and I hit 110mph everyday that it is not raining, but I won't get on here and say that it is the safest thing to do. My point being is that when I hear that some boats were running 170mph at a open event I think cool. and then I think about how big of a opening they seen to throttle down like that with out worrying about a bass boat or sea doo coming out of nowhere.
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[QUOTE=offshoredrillin]
Secondly to address your issue of speed, you state yourself that your accident happened when another driver came in your space, the canopied race boat is the only boat on the water? So I guess the other 100 or so participants werent there? We are indeed comparing apples to apples and you are just wrong. QUOTE] offshoredrillin since you have brought up my motorcycle accident and like to compare it to this speed display between Speed Racer and Rio Roses at the Jax Poker Run you need to know I was going around 35mph verified my the police officer that was right behind me. I was wearing a full face helmet, Sidi boots, Kevlar/Carbon fiber gloves and blue jeans. I lost my entire left leg. The driver of the van took a left hand turn right into me. Now that you know the facts how the hell does this compare to the Speed Racer and Rio roses speed display and a F'n poker run?!?!?! Speed and Rio were way out front of all the other poker runners. How in the heck did they endanger your insurance premium? Geesh get a grip dude...first you jump all over Fountain (namely Reggie and he was not even in the boat) for going fast at a Poker Run but you forget there were 2 boats in this speed display and lots of others way behind them doing well over 100mph. Ok so I get it you do not want anyone to go fast on the water in there boat so that they all will be safe...yeah right....I've seen 40mph boat accidnets kill and or hurt people...which brings me back to my motorcycle accidnet..I was only going 35mph! :mad: :( You are so way off base on this whole dang thread you seriously make zero sence. Back to work for me...see ya! :drink: |
Re: Cat Killer !
Originally Posted by TRICK
1. No one was injured at the Jax Poker Run.
2. I'm not aware of any close calls with spectator boats or dangerous incidents. In fact there was little boat traffic other than the poker run participants. 3. I personally enjoyed seeing the new Fountain race boat at the event. I wasn't alone in that respect. It was nice to see some industry personalities. Reggie, Skip, Mike Fiore and the NorTech boys. It all adds color to the event. 4. As a participant in the event, I just don't see all the "safety outrage" being tossed around in this thread. The speculation of outrageous or dangerous driving just didn't happen. 5. If you're point is you think Fountain press release is inappropriate or poor judgment, that's another matter. If insurance issues as a result of the press release are your hot button, again, that might be debatable. But as far as a race boat at a Poker Run and all the speculation of reckless behavior, this post is just so much hot air. Score one for the Reggie publicity machine. Once again he has everyone talking. Brand recognition and top of mind awareness are much sought after. |
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Two years from now when your Insurance Policy states something like:
"No coverage when participating in any form of organized Poker Run," I'll be sure to bring this thread back to the top, because you are seriously going to see a decline in Poker Run attendance if they are being touted as SPEED COMPETITIONS and the Insurance Carriers get wind of it. Its time for some responsibility now, or we are going to drive our hobby out of affordable existance. I don't have any problem with the speeds or some fun amongst friends saying "Hey, I'll bet you a round of drinks tonight that I can beat you to that next marker." However, if you are purposely going to show up to a non-race event with the full intent of turning it into a race event; and then PUBLICIZE it by writing a press release/article (can't wait to see next month's Fountain advertisements); this is cleary a mistake. Have any of you ever met an Insurance Underwriter? They seriously sit there and research reasons to deny writing policies and paying claims. Why are we feeding them information as fast as it can be printed and posted? |
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Originally Posted by Sydwayz
Two years from now when your Insurance Policy states something like:
"No coverage when participating in any form of organized Poker Run," I'll be sure to bring this thread back to the top, because you are seriously going to see a decline in Poker Run attendance if they are being touted as SPEED COMPETITIONS and the Insurance Carriers get wind of it. Its time for some responsibility now, or we are going to drive our hobby out of affordable existance. I don't have any problem with the speeds or some fun amongst friends saying "Hey, I'll bet you a round of drinks tonight that I can beat you to that next marker." However, if you are purposely going to show up to a non-race event with the full intent of turning it into a race event; and then PUBLICIZE it by writing a press release/article (can't wait to see next month's Fountain advertisements); this is cleary a mistake. Have any of you ever met an Insurance Underwriter? They seriously sit there and research reasons to deny writing policies and paying claims. Why are we feeding them information as fast as it can be printed and posted? Its written all over all of them how fast these boats are, in every ad, every boat test etc. Powerboat does all their test in open public water. Some at speeds near or above what was run in the Poker Run. What difference does it make if Fountain puts out a press release saying they are faster than Cats, compared to Fountain/OL/Cig, and many others running ads in every magazine saying how fast you can go in their boats. You don't really think that the insurance companies are dumb enough to think that when a Fountain and an OL happen to be out on a weekend together, that they don't go for it to see who is faster. The current Fountain ad for the 38' Lightning is 2 pages in the front of ever magazine. It screams that you can do 103+ in 30pt font. I guess that is wrong too? |
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Thought this was "semi" apropriate. Don't mean to hijack your debate.
Over the years on OSO myself and the rest of you have heard a lot of cryin about "the old days", "Real offshore", "Ocean Racing" ...CIG vs Fountain vs OL Who is the king of offshore. Many of you don't care who is the fastest on flat water "it's the ocean that tell's the true story". WELL HERE IT IS. CALL YOUR MANUFACTURER AND TELL THEM TO BRING THEIR BADEST RACE BOAT OR RACE/POKER RUN BOAT TO CLAIM THE TITLE NO MORE WHINING OR or BS PRESS RELEASES PUT THE DRAMA TO REST: FOUNTAIN IF YOU TRULY THINK YOU CAN BEAT "SPEED RACER" CALL HIM AND CHALLENGE HIM. There will be no denying the winner his claim to the title here. They'll be some other BIG CATS that will enjoy running the "CAT KILLER" . CIG we all know you have a secret weapon waiting to surprise us all!!! The "old man" upstairs created our sport on these Ocean Races. OL...THERE IS more of your "Heavy duty hardware" that can handle this job than any other Manuf. You guys have a very impressive program and many Loyal fans. Don't let them down!!!! THIS IS A SANCTIONED RACE NOT A POKER RUN. ALL Proffessional SAFETY rules will be in place for High SPEED BOATING. HELO"S, DIVE TEAM's MED boats, Cleared course. NO ENTRY FEES FOR OSS/OPA/SBI 2006 Registered members. Pacific Offshore Powerboat Racing Assoc. (POPRA) with Event sponsor AMF Offshore Racing.Com are proud to bring back a piece of offshore history with the return of the Catalina Island Rum Run. This is a 75 + mile offshore race from the Queen Mary in Long Beach Harbor to Catalina Island and back. Originally held in 1911 this event is steeped in history and promises to challenge all who enter. The pits are scheduled to open Friday July 7th located directly in front of the Queen Mary. Hotel rooms have been blocked for racers let them know you are part of the event. Air travel to and from the event is very easy book your flights to Long Beach airport and take a shuttle of call us and we'll make sure to arrange pick-up. We are expecting a good turn-out for our first event as an independent club and appreciate all of those teams that are going to travel to be with us. OSS Teams we will hit the road Monday AM for the 2500 mile run back to Toronto. We should make it by Thursday without much problem. |
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Originally Posted by the duke
Insurance companies don't write policys based on press releases. Nor do they write them based on what is on OSO or in any magazine.
Its written all over all of them how fast these boats are, in every ad, every boat test etc. Powerboat does all their test in open public water. Some at speeds near or above what was run in the Poker Run. What difference does it make if Fountain puts out a press release saying they are faster than Cats, compared to Fountain/OL/Cig, and many others running ads in every magazine saying how fast you can go in their boats. You don't really think that the insurance companies are dumb enough to think that when a Fountain and an OL happen to be out on a weekend together, that they don't go for it to see who is fster. If you think that the insurance companies sit and a room and count the income from these premiums, you are dead wrong. I had a friend get a cancellation notice from Markel after seeing the spread in Hot Boat on his boat. These are not assumptions on my part but facts that myself and many are having to live with and press releases like this won't help the situation. |
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Will the Offshore Only film crew be there????????
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Originally Posted by Maximus
Thought this was "semi" apropriate. Don't mean to hijack your debate.
Over the years on OSO myself and the rest of you have heard a lot of cryin about "the old days", "Real offshore", "Ocean Racing" ...CIG vs Fountain vs OL Who is the king of offshore. Many of you don't care who is the fastest on flat water "it's the ocean that tell's the true story". WELL HERE IT IS. CALL YOUR MANUFACTURER AND TELL THEM TO BRING THEIR BADEST RACE BOAT OR RACE/POKER RUN BOAT TO CLAIM THE TITLE NO MORE WHINING OR or BS PRESS RELEASES PUT THE DRAMA TO REST: FOUNTAIN IF YOU TRULY THINK YOU CAN BEAT "SPEED RACER" CALL HIM AND CHALLENGE HIM. There will be no denying the winner his claim to the title here. They'll be some other BIG CATS that will enjoy running the "CAT KILLER" . CIG we all know you have a secret weapon waiting to surprise us all!!! The "old man" upstairs created our sport on these Ocean Races. OL...THERE IS more of your "Heavy duty hardware" that can handle this job than any other Manuf. You guys have a very impressive program and many Loyal fans. Don't let them down!!!! THIS IS A SANCTIONED RACE NOT A POKER RUN. ALL Proffessional SAFETY rules will be in place for High SPEED BOATING. HELO"S, DIVE TEAM's MED boats, Cleared course. NO ENTRY FEES FOR OSS/OPA/SBI 2006 Registered members. Pacific Offshore Powerboat Racing Assoc. (POPRA) with Event sponsor AMF Offshore Racing.Com are proud to bring back a piece of offshore history with the return of the Catalina Island Rum Run. This is a 75 + mile offshore race from the Queen Mary in Long Beach Harbor to Catalina Island and back. Originally held in 1911 this event is steeped in history and promises to challenge all who enter. The pits are scheduled to open Friday July 7th located directly in front of the Queen Mary. Hotel rooms have been blocked for racers let them know you are part of the event. Air travel to and from the event is very easy book your flights to Long Beach airport and take a shuttle of call us and we'll make sure to arrange pick-up. We are expecting a good turn-out for our first event as an independent club and appreciate all of those teams that are going to travel to be with us. OSS Teams we will hit the road Monday AM for the 2500 mile run back to Toronto. We should make it by Thursday without much problem. |
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Catalina Island Rum Run!!
Maximus is right! Let's call out: Reggie, Skip, Terry, Steve, Mike, Speed, Cats, Vees, what ever who ever to bring out your BIG GUNS. And see who's KING of Catalina!! This would be better than any OSS-SBI BS! Big pacific water! No more crying about press releases, insurance, manufacturers. GO FRAT :drink: :drink: |
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Originally Posted by 42MTI
If they don't care if we race or not, then why does my policy state explicidly that races void coverage?
If you think that the insurance companies sit and a room and count the income from these premiums, you are dead wrong. I had a friend get a cancellation notice from Markel after seeing the spread in Hot Boat on his boat. These are not assumptions on my part but facts that myself and many are having to live with and press releases like this won't help the situation. |
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Originally Posted by 42MTI
If they don't care if we race or not, then why does my policy state explicidly that races void coverage?
If you think that the insurance companies sit and a room and count the income from these premiums, you are dead wrong. I had a friend get a cancellation notice from Markel after seeing the spread in Hot Boat on his boat. These are not assumptions on my part but facts that myself and many are having to live with and press releases like this won't help the situation. Ask your friend what he told Markel and what was published in Hot Boat. Lieing about the engine or the boat speed will get you cancelled in a hurry. |
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Originally Posted by two-air
Catalina Island Rum Run!!
Maximus is right! Let's call out: Reggie, Skip, Terry, Steve, Mike, Speed, Cats, Vees, what ever who ever to bring out your BIG GUNS. And see who's KING of Catalina!! This would be better than any OSS-SBI BS! Big pacific water! No more crying about press releases, insurance, manufacturers. GO FRAT :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: OPBA BOY HEADING OUT WEST!!! |
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Originally Posted by FeverMike
Now that you know the facts how the hell does this compare to the Speed Racer and Rio roses speed display and a F'n poker run?!?!?!
Im pretty sure if we heard where any Nascar, IRL or F1 driver was doing 170 on an open road, and then bragging about it, we'd wouldnt be saying how cool that is either... but then again .. maybe some of you would.... :( |
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Originally Posted by blume
Policy?? Boat Insurance??? YOU DON'T HAVE A BOAT.
He DOES have a boat, seen it last weekend........ :rolleyes: :D |
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Originally Posted by CASH BAR
He DOES have a boat, seen it last weekend........ :rolleyes: :D
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Originally Posted by Racegirl3
Im pretty sure if we heard where any Nascar, IRL or F1 driver was doing 170 on an open road, and then bragging about it, we'd wouldnt be saying how cool that is either... but then again .. maybe some of you would.... :(
BUT, how many boats run at speeds at or above 100 mph every day? and water is a lot less controlled surface than pavement. Point being that Fountain was not the only one running at high speed. We know Speed Racer was. There was an other MTI that posted he was running 150+ when Fountain pulled away, I'd guess Ballistic was running pretty fast, and those are only the bigger named boats that were there. How many more were running at very high speed? |
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Originally Posted by the duke
My Markel policy doesn't say a word about racing. It says "private pleasure use". I guess you could say that racing wasn't a pleasure use, but thats a pretty vague term. Of course it does say that if theboat is damaged by Atomic anything they won't pay :drink: .
You stated that the insurance companies don't pay any attention to the maginess.The point of my second paragraph was that the insurance do read the magazines and websites. |
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Originally Posted by blume
Policy?? Boat Insurance??? YOU DON'T HAVE A BOAT.
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the majority of us involved with these boats have a general idea of what certain boats are capable of. the point trying to be made here is that it doesnt need to be stated, underlined, and bold faced for the WHOLE WORLD TO SEE...heres a point in case where the ole addage SOMETHINGS ARE BETTER OFF LEFT UNSAID applies !!! it doesnt make a difference who made the statement but the fact it was made knowing that the performance boating industry is under the microscope as it is. i'm a fan of all boats, cat, v, hydro, outboard, I/O, turbine etc...as well as all manufacturers.
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Exactly
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Originally Posted by 42MTI
I have all the above, just not the boat that I want right now. Wanna race????? :evilb: :evilb:
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This thread is killing me. Enough already. Have a drink take a pill or what ever else you guys do to calm down. Jeez :eek:
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Does the Catalina Race go around the island - or just to Avalon and back ?
It seems there is an extra 20+ miles there somewhere. The water on the backside of Catalina shortens your boat by about 5 feet, especially if you keep the island to starboard. As I remember, the 'old' Catalina race would go outside the island. |
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Originally Posted by offshoredrillin
I'll put a street Monte Carlo up against Dale Jrs any day..:rolleyes:...I never bashed beaks or reggie, but this idotic statement is too much even for him... Oh, and poker runs arent a race Mr Fountain...It's these types of statements that will be the downfall of the sport. Wonder what he will say when no one can afford insurance and his boats don't sell...
its the nature of the beast,, its not going to change, i have not been to any poker runs where it doesnt turn into a raging ego run, if it wasnt for the adrenaline rush, that happens in this situation we would all be in 14 to 24 ft bayliners with force 25 to 85 hp outboards.. people will pay big money for the bragging rights got to the 1st stop 1st. not many folks will spend 750k to 1.5 mil for a skater, omti , nortech or OL to go toodle around at the back of the pack they generally run em hard and it turns into what some would view as a race, my thoughts, i know i get fired up but my revlimiter in the left bolster would cut me off forever if i let our boat loose, and its not even fast in comparison, its only a measly 100mph boat. |
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Originally Posted by sleek1
El Indio,
Nice pics. Is that her on the cover of Playboy in the background? :rolleyes: very nice el indo :drink: |
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Originally Posted by 42MTI
Wrong again, my policy states : any race or speed contest.".
MY policy doesn't have the word race in it anywhere. |
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