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Cat killer :p
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Originally Posted by rainmn
Anyone else find it odd that Fountain markets the sit-down 42 as the "42 Poker Run Edition", yet brings a canopied race boat to a poker run?
obviously reggie doesn't feel any of his customers boats are fast enough to run up front since he has to bring a race boat (and race drivers) to do it... :D |
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Originally Posted by Downtown42
I was just writing the check for Rio Roses but then I can't run any poker runs so forget it :evilb:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...42/MrMagoo.jpg randy scism's new retirement ride |
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I Hope Everyone Got The Message From Skip's Comments. That Being Said I Encourage Those Wanting To Prove Their Speed To Inquire With Their Insurance Companies To Be Able To Compete In These Kilo Runs. Unfortunately After Trying To Run One In The Loto Shootout And Being Told No Coverage, I Will Tell You That A Large Number Of Fast Boats Will Indeed Not Participate. The Moral Of This Story Will Be That If We Continue To Act Unprofessional And With A Lack Of Respect To Fellow Boaters And Rules/laws(this Goes Out To All Manufacturers, Not Pointing The Finger At Any One Individual) The Next Privilige Will Be The Lack Of Coverage For The Things We Enjoy, I.e. Poker Runs. It Is Inevitable And Yes It Can Be Done By Simply Not Paying Claims If They Find Your Name Signed To A Poker Run Sign-up And Their Is A Claim. I See The Nyc Run Was Suppose To Have A Capped 100/109 Mph Speed Limit. It Is Going To Continue To Clamp Down. Do The Right Thing In The Right Forum. By The Way, This Is Not A Fountain Bash Because Everyone Is Doing It So Take A Step Back And See If It Applies.
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Originally Posted by biggame
looks like another manufacturer feels the same way
We all agree that Poker Runs are not "races" in the pure sense of the word. BUT the big guys have always hung it out to see who was fastest at them. In Jacksonville, the big guns from Nortech, Foutain and MTI were there. (never saw anything about any really fast Cigs being around) They went up against each other and from what has been posted, The Fountain "V" only had Speed Racer that could keep up with him. So Fountain bragged about it. Big Deal. My understanding is that the boats involved were willing partcipants in the "match" between them. I don't believe that they were running through other boats at the speeds they were running. What is any different in this then the trophy that until this year was given to the King of the Hudson? Cig's comment that race boats shouldn't be allowed in poker runs makes no sense. there are probably only a few race boats that can run anywhere near the speeds that the big cats can run. So what would that accomplish? Next is he gonna say that Cats shouldn't be in poker runs either because they are too fast? |
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Originally Posted by rainmn
Anyone else find it odd that Fountain markets the sit-down 42 as the "42 Poker Run Edition", yet brings a canopied race boat to a poker run?
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Originally Posted by the duke
How many canopied cats were there???
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13 pages and almost 7000 hits on this thread. Hmm I think Reggie got exactly what he wanted. The Fountain name is being advertised and it ain't costin him a thing. Excelent move Reggie. My hats off to you. :cool:
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Isnt it funny to that Reggie is bashing an MTI built boat. I think he has an axe to grind with Randy Scism I guess. If you remember right MTI started out as a Joint venture with Reggie and Randy when Reggie wanted to get in the cat business . I think they built a couple boats (Fountain/Scism cats) and parted ways. now look at how well MTI is doing they are even out selling and out performing Skaters which were the big dogs of the fast cat market.
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Originally Posted by BigDadys93x
Isnt it funny to that Reggie is bashing an MTI built boat. .
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Originally Posted by the duke
where is he bashing anyone? and MTI wasn't the only cat in Jax that Fountain beat
Didn't sound like bashing to me it sounded more like credit for being the only one that could keep up. :evilb: |
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Originally Posted by berns29scarab
ABSOLUTELY PERFECT !! NOW I KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER 1 IS FOR.
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Originally Posted by the duke
So now we have Nortech and Cig complaining that Fountain did a press release on Fountains own web site. :rolleyes:
We all agree that Poker Runs are not "races" in the pure sense of the word. BUT the big guys have always hung it out to see who was fastest at them. In Jacksonville, the big guns from Nortech, Foutain and MTI were there. (never saw anything about any really fast Cigs being around) They went up against each other and from what has been posted, The Fountain "V" only had Speed Racer that could keep up with him. So Fountain bragged about it. Big Deal. My understanding is that the boats involved were willing partcipants in the "match" between them. I don't believe that they were running through other boats at the speeds they were running. What is any different in this then the trophy that until this year was given to the King of the Hudson? Cig's comment that race boats shouldn't be allowed in poker runs makes no sense. there are probably only a few race boats that can run anywhere near the speeds that the big cats can run. So what would that accomplish? Next is he gonna say that Cats shouldn't be in poker runs either because they are too fast? It's wrong to bring a V bottom with a canopy and trained race drivers but it's ok to bring non professionals in open cats that run the same speed or faster? Brilliant logic. |
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In response to Biggame's comments, Ben Robertson has not worked for Cigarette since later April. Best, md
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[QUOTE=the duke]So now we have Nortech and Cig complaining that Fountain did a press release on Fountains own web site. :rolleyes:
Just so you know. I didn't see it on Fountain's own website. I saw it on the Home Page of this site. |
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Just wondering.....Were any of the other boats backed by a boat manufacture or were they private.
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Originally Posted by Sean H
i was also wondering that, and where the fastest "pleasure" fountain ran since all the cats were "pleasure" cats... :drink:
obviously reggie doesn't feel any of his customers boats are fast enough to run up front since he has to bring a race boat (and race drivers) to do it... :D We ran with, or in front of, many cats. I believe the only V-bottom(s) to make it the 1st stop before us was Triple X and the race Vee. The 42' has a proven top speed of 136.8 on GPS. We only ran about 118 at the most as the conditions dictated restraint. I don't believe the Press release was a good move, but it was cool having Fountains' video crew on board with us on the return back to Jacksonville. |
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Originally Posted by CASH BAR
Actually, I was in the fastest Fountain Pleasure boat. Team Taboo's 42' Lightning(full pleasure) w/1075's. :eek:
We ran with, or in front of, many cats. I believe the only V-bottom(s) to make it the 1st stop before us was Triple X and the race Vee. The 42' has a proven top speed of 136.8 on GPS. We only ran about 118 at the most as the conditions dictated restraint. I don't believe the Press release was a good move, but it was cool having Fountains' video crew on board with us on the return back to Jacksonville. |
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Originally Posted by cuda
Scott, btw, what do you pay a year for your Critter? Basically the same boat as Deb's, and same power.
similar power .... :D :D |
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Originally Posted by CASH BAR
Actually, I was in the fastest Fountain Pleasure boat. Team Taboo's 42' Lightning(full pleasure) w/1075's. :eek:
We ran with, or in front of, many cats. I believe the only V-bottom(s) to make it the 1st stop before us was Triple X and the race Vee. The 42' has a proven top speed of 136.8 on GPS. We only ran about 118 at the most as the conditions dictated restraint. I don't believe the Press release was a good move, but it was cool having Fountains' video crew on board with us on the return back to Jacksonville. |
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Originally Posted by biggame
looks like another manufacturer feels the same way
Stu Jones Florida Powerboat Club 421 South Federal Highway Pompano Beach, FL 33062 Dear Stu: ......However, after all the work and discussions this industry has put into the clarification that Poker Runs are recreational events and NOT races, I was aghast to see Reggie Fountain arrive with a race boat, two professional racers and a camera crew to document the scenario...... Sincerely, Skip Braver Cigarette Racing Team FUNNY- here's Pair-a-Dice racing with 42 canopied 1550 Sterlings at 2005 Oshkosh Thunder Poker Run. Seems everyone had fun. FUNNY-Here's Rio Roses at 2005 Windy City poker run. Seems everyone had fun, tnks Haulin Trash. Skip, Mercury is #6's...I figured you would have known that. Go back to building luxury Colorado homes, something you know well. That hot, mosquito infested weather down south must get to 'ya all...RELAX-ITS NOT A RACE. Once again, I'd rather be next to a team of professionals than some idiot rich boy. |
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Originally Posted by Downtown42
FUNNY- here's Pair-a-Dice racing with 42 canopied 1550 Sterlings at 2005 Oshkosh Thunder Poker Run. Seems everyone had fun.
FUNNY-Here's Rio Roses at 2005 Windy City poker run. Seems everyone had fun, tnks Haulin Trash. Skip, Mercury is #6's...I figured you would have known that. Go back to building luxury Colorado homes, something you know well. That hot, mosquito infested weather down south must get to 'ya all...RELAX-ITS NOT A RACE. Once again, I'd rather be next to a team of professionals than some idiot rich boy. |
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"[QUOTE=Downtown42]FUNNY- here's Pair-a-Dice racing with 42 canopied 1550 Sterlings at 2005 Oshkosh Thunder Poker Run. Seems everyone had fun.
FUNNY-Here's Rio Roses at 2005 Windy City poker run. Seems everyone had fun, tnks Haulin Trash." end quote. I was at both of those Poker Runs and I agree it was very cool having those boats there and to see them run. However they did not have press releases and talk garbage about destroying the fleet. It was all in fun at that time even with the Rio Roses boat last year. In both cases they ran hard but not trying to make it a race. I say factories with race agendas can stay home or go to the actual races and keep Poker Runs a fun, safe boating activity. |
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Originally Posted by Fanatic
Kind of pisses on all the Reggie/Fountain haters and shows a bit of hypocricy now doesn't it?
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Originally Posted by biggame
looks like another manufacturer feels the same way
Stu Jones Florida Powerboat Club 421 South Federal Highway Pompano Beach, FL 33062 Dear Stu: While attending the highly successful Jacksonville FireFighters Poker Run last weekend, I, like most other manufacturers, was pleased with the turn out and promotion of the event. However, after all the work and discussions this industry has put into the clarification that Poker Runs are recreational events and NOT races, I was aghast to see Reggie Fountain arrive with a race boat, two professional racers and a camera crew to document the scenario. Are we just providing lip service, or are we serious about maintaining Poker Runs as events that are open to all powerboaters to enjoy the spirit of boating? If we want to maintain our insurance and credibility, we must stick to this premise. It was in extremely poor taste and really damaging to the industry to have Reggie put his competitive nature before the good of the sport of pleasure boating. I also believe it was negligent to allow it to happen. How can we expect our customers to act responsibly if the manufacturers act irresponsibly? We should be the leaders of the industry and support the events that were designed for our customers to earn bragging rights—not for the manufacturers to use a Poker Run as a speed demonstration. This action was in direct opposition to the stance that industry leaders took at the Safety Summit meetings at the Miami Boat Show, where all manufacturers supported the safety and status of Poker Runs as non-speed-oriented events. Offshore powerboat racing is the venue where awards for speed are presented; the industry has also created events like the Lake of the Ozarks Shootout and sanctioned Kilo Runs to create and honor speed records. Go there to compete! This situation was exacerbated when Fountain circulated a press release under the heading of Fountain Mercury, literally calling the event “competition” stating that the company “entered” its “new offshore Super Boat Rio Roses Fountain Mercury.” Yet it was powered by twin Sterling engines! And it is a RACE boat, not a Poker Run boat, run by Fountain’s own championship racers! Proudly calling the boat “The Cat Killer” only adds insult to injury in an arena where manufacturers attend as colleagues. The verbiage in the release reads exactly like a race report, stating that the “Super Vee Unlimited-class offshore racer” can “outrun, out-handle and outlast the Super Cats, especially in rough water.” Then why choose a flat water river run to make this performance? I strongly suggest that the rules of Poker Runs exclude race boats and that rule be enforced at all events. Why spoil the fun for recreational boaters who are out to show the performance of their equipment and win a poker hand, while one manufacturer makes his “story of the day” about dominating the fleet? We all build fast, exciting boats. Should Cigarette bring its Kilo Run boat with John Tomlinson at the helm to a Poker Run? I do not think that is appropriate. Poker Runs are NOT the forum for racing boats; they are a social event where manufacturers and our customers can show the latest recreational models. I am copying the other leading powerboat manufacturers and press on this letter as we are all trying to work together to promote this industry and sport. We hope that you, the Poker Run promoters who have build these events, will take a stand to continue the safety and spirit of what has driven the powerboat industry for the past decade. Ego destroyed powerboat racing, let’s not let it destroy Poker Runs. Sincerely, Skip Braver Cigarette Racing Team You are right ! If anyone brings a Gun to a knife fight they will be the winner ! Lucky Strike |
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Originally Posted by Brad Zastrow
I was at both of those Poker Runs and I agree it was very cool having those boats there and to see them run. However they did not have press releases and talk garbage about destroying the fleet. It was all in fun at that time even with the Rio Roses boat last year. In both cases they ran hard but not trying to make it a race. I say factories with race agendas can stay home or go to the actual races and keep Poker Runs a fun, safe boating activity. |
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CAPO71, Thank you for the hours, of laughing my ass off :drink:
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Skip is DEAD ON the money.
How are any of the manufacturers going to sell boats if they pull stunts like this which will destroy buyers/owners ability to obtain or afford insurance? Seriously, how many 27-38 stock powered Fountains is Reggie selling because he can run 170+ mph in an example of the Indy-Car equivalent of the go-fast boating industry?????? A poker run is NOT A FOOKING RACE!!!! You can bring whatever boat you want to whatever event, but don't tout it as a race when its not. I would think the only way you could 'dominate a field' in a Poker Run is if you pull Aces all day at each stop, right? That's the only competition that I signed up for. Many people are missing the point that there are really two types or classes of Poker Runs. There are these high dollar, high entry fee, lots of glitz and glamour, big stakes runs that keep getting these bad wraps with incidents and race accusations and such. Then there are the 'working stiff's' poker runs, which I would lump the James River, Leukemia/Chesapeake Bay, Hampton Roads, Smith Mountain Lake, and some other ones into. EXTREMELY HIGH fun factor, no racing; and therefore the party and camaraderie take center stage, as opposed to bragging rights. Except for who might have the slowest boat due to all the beads they brought. Unfortunately the writing is on the wall. Poker Runs are going to be either banned by jurisdictions, or eliminated for coverage by the insurance companies of individual policyholders. Its going to eliminate the ability to throw or attend a Poker Run event for anyone that does not clear 7 figures a year in personal income; and that my friends; sucks ass. |
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all said, Reggie is indeed the KING. he is a living legend. we should all respect and support ALL that he has done for our industry in the last 25 yrs. do you think evry comment made from fountain is actually his, or more he get's blmaed for. as well poker runs are indeed an event to show your stuff. and on many, many occaasions many of powerboater's have done exactly what they condemn others for.
i myself have glass in my house , so i chose not to throw stones. i am not attempting to excuse anything, rather just ery to bring attention to the fact that we all press to push the envelope, that's why there are steps and pads and 1500h.p engines. the most important thing to keep in mind is to try to be safe in youir ego management. good luck to all , and have a great boating season. |
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Originally Posted by Downtown42
FUNNY- here's Pair-a-Dice racing with 42 canopied 1550 Sterlings at 2005 Oshkosh Thunder Poker Run. Seems everyone had fun.
FUNNY-Here's Rio Roses at 2005 Windy City poker run. Seems everyone had fun, tnks Haulin Trash. Skip, Mercury is #6's...I figured you would have known that. Go back to building luxury Colorado homes, something you know well. That hot, mosquito infested weather down south must get to 'ya all...RELAX-ITS NOT A RACE. Once again, I'd rather be next to a team of professionals than some idiot rich boy. I find it funny as heck that ole Reggie got Skips panty's in a wad. Nice to know Skip looks at the Fountain website. Skip I love your Cigarette's (I even bought a t-shirt!) I'm excited about the Cig center console coming out. I own a Fountain but none of this would ever sway me to buy one boat over the other...we know Fountain is always faster! As the saying goes....race a Fountain, smoke a Cigarette. Maybe Reggie should do a t-shirt in that and compete with your shirt sales! :eek: :cool: :D |
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Originally Posted by FeverMike
I do not see anything wrong with the press release by Fountain on the Jacksonville Poker run and their boat called Cat Killer. I can not see how this one deal would change anything in the insurance industry. Some people on this site are just so jealous and are looking at anything to bash Fountain they can not see straight.
Fountain has done a lot for the performance industry and all of us should acknowledge that. Fountain's R&D and support of racing is second to no one. :D Mike, With all due respect, weren't you the one who started the thread on Ben's motorcycle accident? Aren't you the one who uses his own personal trajedy to discourage others from participatiing in "unsafe" activities? I'm sure if the back seat had survived the SOTW incident, they would be attempting to discourage this type of reckless pursuit of bragging rights. I think it's great that Reggie has built a fast boat. But pulling this on a open course and gloating about it in the manner he did is totally irresponsible. Roger Penske built a fast car too, but I don't think he would turn Sam Hornish and his 240 m.p.h. race car loose to challenge anything on a public highway. I didn't hear him talking about how his car blew away the Corvette pace car. How about having a little class? If he wants to set records and establish bragging rights, do it on a closed course. |
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Originally Posted by Superman
I might have missed something, but, where can I find the video of RioRoses "KILLIING" SpeedRacer as Reggie stated. Excuse if I misunderastood that, but, maybe someone can help me out.
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Originally Posted by Superman
Does anyone have an answer?
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Originally Posted by RedDog382
Mike,
With all due respect, weren't you the one who started the thread on Ben's motorcycle accident? Aren't you the one who uses his own personal trajedy to discourage others from participatiing in "unsafe" activities? I'm sure if the back seat had survived the SOTW incident, they would be attempting to discourage this type of reckless pursuit of bragging rights. I think it's great that Reggie has built a fast boat. But pulling this on a open course and gloating about it in the manner he did is totally irresponsible. Roger Penske built a fast car too, but I don't think he would turn Sam Hornish and his 240 m.p.h. race car loose to challenge anything on a public highway. I didn't hear him talking about how his car blew away the Corvette pace car. How about having a little class? If he wants to set records and establish bragging rights, do it on a closed course.
Originally Posted by JCPERF
I think its on NICK at NITE :evilb: :evilb:
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Originally Posted by Superman
Does anyone have an answer?
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Originally Posted by RedDog382
I'm sure if the back seat had survived the SOTW incident, they would be attempting to discourage this type of reckless pursuit of bragging rights.
You are comparing apples to oranges by using that here. |
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Originally Posted by eMotiondriver
CAPO71, Thank you for the hours, of laughing my ass off :drink:
I'm glad I could be here for you eMotiondriver. I only stand For Truth, Justice, and the American Way! :evilb: Unfortunately Most can't handle the truth. Personally I don't think you can, you 4 stroke, 50 HP, cat-toon, half cat half pontoon drivin, 17 wheeler gear shiftin, false teeth wearing, KW rainbow scooter rentin kinda guy you are :D :drink: |
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Originally Posted by Sydwayz
Skip is DEAD ON the money.
How are any of the manufacturers going to sell boats if they pull stunts like this which will destroy buyers/owners ability to obtain or afford insurance? Seriously, how many 27-38 stock powered Fountains is Reggie selling because he can run 170+ mph in an example of the Indy-Car equivalent of the go-fast boating industry?????? |
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Originally Posted by CAP071
I'm glad I could be here for you eMotiondriver.
I only stand For Truth, Justice, and the American Way! :evilb: Unfortunately Most can't handle the truth. Personally I don't think you can, you 4 stroke, 50 HP, cat-toon, half cat half pontoon drivin, 17 wheeler gear shiftin, false teeth wearing, KW rainbow scooter rentin kinda guy you are :D :drink: |
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Well, I guess I better weigh in on the race boat thing, since I have been invited back to the Chicago Poker Run by all the great friends we made while we were there last year. After 20+ years on the circuit, I decided to take it down a notch or two and try poker running.I thought it would be fun to take the boat to no pressure events, with no politics, and just meet a lot of new people, show off my stuff and run my boat to have fun, not compete. Hell, I even stopped for lunch! Very different than racing I tell ya.... Wyatt Fountain and I ran the boat about 80-100 mph at best. We got passed many times, but couldn't care less. We were having a ball. When I was at the docks prior to leaving, I saw some of the iron these guys had and said holy crap, we're gonna get embarrassed.But it did not matter, because we did not come to race. Only to have a fun day. Our twin 750 Mercury Supercats were definitely not the largest motors there, believe me. And a bunch of the cats took off at the start, never to be seen again.
We had fun running alongside of other boats giving them a close look at a race boat with them waving and snapping pictures the whole time. I was loving it, and it wasn't about the speed. It was about being there,not having to run balls to the wall, being treated as friends by people we've never met, and getting a chance to run with a whole bunch of other boats with the same idea of having a great,relaxing, enjoyable day. We relaxed so much that Scott Sjrogren and Wyatt and I almost went to Canada, I swear I saw a maple leaf flag, until we realized that we missed a card stop. And a word about safety if I may....we went into the event as we go into a race. Switliks, helmets, emergency air. We had them, so why not use them. Between Wyatt and myself we probably have 40 years racing and boating, so I think we were highly qualified to bring our race boat and use it in a safe and courteous manner.It is fully insured, so don't be afraid to run next to me.Take lots of pictures, we love it. I imagine not many people get a chance to ride alongside of a World Speed record holder and Super Vee World Champion, side exhausts screaming, boat riding as if on rails. It's all about fun. And I had a ball, and will have another one at this years Chicago Poker run. The problem (?) of having a raceboat come to your poker run is not the raceboat's problem. It does create some kind of excitement, seeing something up close that you would ordinarily not see.The real problem is the people in that raceboat and how they conduct themselves.If they think they are there to race, well,maybe they should go back to the racecourse.That's how people get hurt. I am looking forward to returning to Chicago and see all my new friends from last year. And I think they all would like me to bring The Rio Roses back again. Regards to all, Rich Troppoli Rio Roses |
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