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Old 07-24-2006, 02:58 PM
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Tank,

I was out on Saturday with the Pink and Purple Baja 272, my dad was out on Sunday with his Blue, yellow, and purple Baja 232.

BTW, I saw that Cig (the red one with funky colors) going out that day out of CI two weeks ago.

I think on SCOPE you said it was owner taking delivery.

They went out to the right, hauled a$$ to get speed, got about 1/4 mile past the break, from the beach just kept seeing the nose go up and down, with the throttle. Turned right back around. How about that for a new delivery!

Don't mess with Channel Islands.

You could really get hurt, major leagues, don't come if you don't know what your doing..

Regarding my dad in the little boat, I figure it is like a bat with a donut. He keeps practicing on this little boat in those big waves, imagine what he could do with a TG

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23-degree deadrise ....

My thread is really not intended as a search for additional speed, but to better understand techniques in running offshore waters. It would be interesting to understand how pilots of larger boats would modify their technique if running offshore in a 23" boat.

The speeds you are running in the conditions you described are plenty fast enough for your boat. Every boat is different. It sounds like you're doing a pretty good job to me.
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Old 07-24-2006, 03:07 PM
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Going larger is not an option since I am unable to trailer launch, and have my Baja 232 dry-stored and hoisted.

OK, if you guys where running offshore in a 23' Baja, at what speeds would you find your "comfort zone"? Also, how would you deal with trim, wave angles, and throttle control?
All kidding aside .....it really depends on the conditions at that moment. Constant adjustments are needed to reach the comfort zone, but everyone has a different zone of comfort.
I've seen some of the scope videos, learning from them would probably be your best bet. Nothing that anyone will tell you on the computer will compare to hands on experience. Ask one of them to spend the day with you, and just practice.
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Old 07-24-2006, 03:25 PM
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Nothing that anyone will tell you on the computer will compare to hands on experience
I fully agree with your "hands-on" comment as I have always lectured my kids that "practice makes perfect". My intent in starting the thread is to gain insights into the "nuances" of offshore running.

Whether 23' or 36', we all watch intensly in the sea ahead for wave action, boat wakes, white caps, etc. So intense in fact, that I rarely have a chance to look at the speedo or guages. I now throttle-UP thru 1-2' boat wakes and wind chop, yet throttle-DN approaching 1-2" swells. I throttle-UP at a 45-degree angle when surfing down a larger swell, and throttle-DN when surfing up. Would it be any different piloting a 36'er?
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I don't get into rough water very often but when I do I try and run the boat as "level" as possible. In smaller chop the tabs are up and the drive trimmed higher to get the nose up and running drier to get more speed. In the nasty stuff I run less positive trim with the drive and run the tabs slightly negative.

Too much neagtive and you'll bow steer and get thrown all over. Too much positive and you'll be launching the bow and possibly tripping and stuffing/hooking. You just have to find the "sweet spot".
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Does that mean the boat should be trimmed down a bit?
When I keep the nose down, increasing speeds seem more stable and launches have a much more comfortable landing. Yet others seems to imply that trimming up is best.
In general yes.. Every boat is different and likes to be run differently. Over time you get a feel for what's right and it always changes based on the conditions, fuel load and # of passengers.

I know a lot of guys who just mash the sticks to the wood and trim the drives to the moon. I can spot those guys from a mile away cause they usually come up along side me and want to race, meanwhile they're up in the air all [email protected] up and outa shape.

Don't trim down too much though, you can easily stuff the boat. Alternatively, too much positive trim and you can launch, trip and stuff...

You really need to drive it and get used to it. Have someone drive the boat who knows what they're doing so you can get a "feel" for what the boats sweet spot is. There's no such thing as 1 trim setting, I play with the trim all day long depending on what kind of chit I'm heading into.
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And just to let you guys replying to this thread know...Channel Islands/Ventura channel is some of the roughest waters (if not THE roughest waters in Southern California. the currents and wind wrap up between the islands and the coast and make for 4-6 footers almost every day. I've turned around in a Tiger before. Just too nasty.[/QUOTE]

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I cant believe you said that out loud , I thought Cig Owners have a reputation to protect.

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Dude, when it's WEEEEELL over 6's with confused water, wind chop and I think I'm seeing a few chinese guys in the holes in between the swells! It all just comes down to how much you want to punish your stuff.
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Hi Tank,
Didn't hear your whistle cause I just love running with the pipes open! Rode with Chris (Baja 272 Purple/Pink) Sat/AM and took friends out Sunday on my 'lil 232. As my 5yo grandson would say .... JUST LOVIN' IT!

Why don't you join Chris and I on the water sometime.
Ahhhh, I was confused for a minute and thought you WERE Chris.

Our Cig will be ready to run in two weeks. I'll meet up with you guys and run any time. By the way, I ran a 24' Outlaw in those waters for 7 years. Up to Santa Barbara and out to the islands on a regular basis. Your boat'll be fine!
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Tank,

I was out on Saturday with the Pink and Purple Baja 272, my dad was out on Sunday with his Blue, yellow, and purple Baja 232.

BTW, I saw that Cig (the red one with funky colors) going out that day out of CI two weeks ago.

I think on SCOPE you said it was owner taking delivery.

They went out to the right, hauled a$$ to get speed, got about 1/4 mile past the break, from the beach just kept seeing the nose go up and down, with the throttle. Turned right back around. How about that for a new delivery!

Don't mess with Channel Islands.

You could really get hurt, major leagues, don't come if you don't know what your doing..

Regarding my dad in the little boat, I figure it is like a bat with a donut. He keeps practicing on this little boat in those big waves, imagine what he could do with a TG

Chris
Chris, I don't think it was my buddies Cig you saw. He didn't run it this weekend. This is a pic of it if you see it. I saw that boat you are talking about. It was a funky boat. Don't even know what it was.

It was a little bumpy on Sat. but looked like "Lake Pacific" on Sunday.

Did you get the info about Ventura Isl. Marina and the hoist?
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