KielyMotorsports

Hey Tx2,
Do you remember a 35 Motion in 93' We tested at the Lake with Schwebs and Lynwood. It was the second inboard built and the first or second inboard to race. Its sister boat was Patriot a triple outboard driven by Lisa Greager. We ran under the name Runnin Wild. Mike Gram on throttles, Me ( John ) driving,John Engles as the crew chief, and Jay Pilini as the builder.

T2x

Hi John;

I remember your Motion, but not from LakeX and i love your Skater..... Say hi to your Dad for me .....one of the real legends.

T2x

T2x

Too old--- under 50 K ....hmmm look for an old 28 skater race boat..... put anything over twin 200's on her...... turn key ...smile a lot.

T2x

Ron P--- The drives, transmissions, props, canopies, rudder, .....and, sadly, the engines were all one of a kind on the 50' Jesse James...Q's father did, in fact, build the hull..... the rest of the equipment was installed later at Bobby Moore's. The most dramatic piece of that whole project was the drive design. Without a doubt the best surface (fixed) drive ever seen on the planet. --- engineered by Tom Wenstadt (ex Mercury...now wasted at Four Winns of all places) . Props were (get this) 24 Diam 32"-36" pitch....3 and 4 blades...special contract with Fred Kiekhaefer. Rudder featured the longest blind drill hole ever attempted outside of NASA.... ( How does this guy know all this stuff?????)

I'll get to your question about "spinning in" or as I prefer to call it "turning your drives bass ackwards" , tomorrow.
Good night kiddies.

gmhdfan

George. Welcome to the Board. Now if we can get George, T2x, and Scott together maybe we can watch history being made. Or at least "revisited". I am sure I speak for other board members that we are honored to have you and T2x give us your input and opinions here on OSO. I look foward to your future posts and history lessons. Its really amazing of the WHO"S WHO that make up the members ot OSO. And I would also like to thank Jeffery for giving us this Board to get together and discuss all these subjects.

[ 09-24-2001: Message edited by: gmhdfan ]

Katdrvr

George,

Welcome to the board.
I have a Chris Cat which I really like. Any perfomance tips for that hull would be greatly appreciated.

T2x,

Keep the great posts coming, your knowledge and history of the Hi-Perf boating world has been a great help to all of the OSO members.

Qst4IT

Great Pics. I remember reading an article about one of the JJ boats in "Wooden Boat".


mike

Qst4IT

Katdrvr,
Thanks for the nice post, had those pics, thought i'd share w\the board. I plan on posting some more later. And I still have my saved copy of that issue of wooden boat it was printed in 1986 it's about a 4-5 page write up. And I'm still an avid reader\subscriber to that magazine, its chock full of what I like to think of as real boat building info.

Ken jr.

KiloKat

T2x - Thanks for such an interesting and factual post!

T2x

Q----The Jesse James Super Boat, when last seen was stripped and laying in a field near Archer Marine, I believe, on the West Coast. It was purchased by some Japanese businessmen, who intended to repower it with diesels, but that never happened. The whole project was a sad memorial to Mark Lavin who passed away 6 months before the boat was even conceived.

The Jesse James 35 is laying in a field in Japan, Mark's wife Francie wanted to give him a "Viking Funeral" (Place his body in it, fill it with branches and kindling, set it free on the outgoing tide and launch a burning arrow into it), and I guess that would have been a noble ending for it ....and him.

Ditto the copy that Stu Hayim had..also laying in a field in Japan.

The 32' Rolling Thunder is in France... Originally that one had four 2liter Merc Formula One tunnel engines on it...complete with custom adaptors and SSM 4's, (one engine had a counter rotating powerhead using a "dock buster" starter motor from Carl Kiekhaefer's personal outboard collection at the Lake.....(Luhrs pulled in some serious favors on that one) ..... Fastest modified boat of it's time....115mph in 1984.

The "White Heat" 37 was last seen in the hands of Cigarette racing in the early 90's.

The 38' Chris Cat prototype was last seen in the hands of Tim Ciasulli as a pleasure boat.

The "What a Package" 32 footer is still racing in the midwest sponsored by a Pizza company.

The "Captain America" 32 footer (probably the best of the bunch), originally rigged by Jerry Gilbreath, sadly, never got the benefit of having him campaign it and I believe it is somewhere in California.

Finally "Rocky" the 37 footer is somewhere in France........ Cest La Vie.


The beauty of your Dad's role was that as a shipwright, he was able to form each boat as unique and separate piece(except for Stu's Jesse James clone, and the similarities between Rocky and White Heat) This allowed for unlimited flexibility in Linder's designs and Luhrs' concepts....

Ron P.--My thoughts on "spinning" in..... Simple physics.... Right hand rotation propellers,torque (lean) the boat to the left. Left hand rotation propellers torque the boat to the right. In a twin engine boat spinning outboard or , RH on right side, LH on left, the torque of the propellers tends to return the boat to level when one side or the other leans outward. When props are spun inboard RH on left, LH on right, or counter rotated the torque tends to make the lean worse. This occurs because as a boat(Cat or Vee) leans to one side, the prop on that side buries deeper and exerts more force, while the prop on the other side rises (in some cases out of the water) and exerts less force. So...... If a RH prop is spinning on the right side of a boat leaning to the right, the prop tends to push the hull back over to the left. (spinning Outboard). If, however, the left hand prop is on the right side in a right hand lean , the prop tends to continue to roll the boat over. I submit that this is why there has been such a dramatic increase in barrel rolls (even in straight-aways) in races in recent years. When I flew over races for 16 years, I could always spot the counter rotated boats, because they behaved very differently (and definitely not better)than their properly spun (outboard rotation) competitors.
The reason that many people spin them "backwards" is the fact that on some hulls the boat may gain a mile or two per hour at top speed....or..... the boat has a bottom tune that needs more bow lift. The speed can generally be achieved in other ways without using an unnatural rotation as a "bandaid" (This is particularly problematical on stepped bottom boats that skid first, then catch suddenly, then roll outward......get the picture?)
One can re-tune most bottoms to add rocker to provide bow lift without resorting to ill advised prop rotation changes.

Counter rotation is adviseable on SINGLE engine race boats when the courses change from counter-clockwise to clockwise. LH props like right turns and handle better, RH props like left turns. Since the Bravo drive allows for a simple flick of a lever to reverse rotation, one would expect that Factory 1 racers would have a supply of left and right props depending on the course ....... up until this year most F1 racers don't...... I guess nobody has "invented" this yet.

It's T2x....NOT "Tx2" please

Reindl Powerboats

T2X,
Wonderful post. Anywhere I can get a picture of David Switzer's "Wing"? Glad to see a post with factual information. I have to agree Mr. Buzzi is one of the funniest characters in all of racing. What are your feelings on Ocke Mannerfelt and his designs, their credibility and worthiness if the boat were built to high standards? I think we share the same passion for people who splash and copy other's ideas for their own benefit other than safety. And thank you George for sharing all the information with us, I think we now build one of the safest boats around, come check them out if you see us in Ft. Lauderdale, St. Pete, or Key West. People like yourself make this a better place to live.
FASTCATS, Give my cellphone (513.706-3199) a call, I have a cat lead you will be interested in.