Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

Sounds like it's best to take this off line.

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

US1, I would agree it does go to credibility, but beyond that I feel it was Fubard's responsibility to do his own homework. In the end, Fubard bought the boat. Credibilty was no longer an issue at that point. I don't know either party, so I can't say what is true and what isn't. I just know that if it were me, I would dig as deep as possible prior to buying a boat with that many hours. Also, as I said before, these engines can go with no warning. I'm not sure how much blame can be placed on the seller for that unless he knew beforehand. And, you're right, if he did know, why take Fubard for an extended sea trial whether it was mostly idleing or not. It seems that the problem was found while idling.

Fubard, you are exactly correct when you say it is bad business to leave prior to a scheduled appointment to finalize the sale. As I said, I would have cancelled the sale and turned around. You'd just be out gas money and time at that point. Besides, I would bet that if you told him you were turning around and cancelling the sale because he was bailing on you that he would have stayed. Again, take the K and fix the boat. You took the responsibility when you picked up the boat without adhering to the agreement. I know, he changed the parameters, but it was up to you to not accept that. Trusting the seller is not a good business paractice. In business today, you have to protect yourself first. I don't care if you're buying something from a priest. Agreements and contracts are used for a reason.

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

One last clarification and i am out of this (Maybe)

Fubar knew in advance that we were going to be out of town and still chose to pick it up

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

I agree its not for you guys to deside. i just wanted the people that responed to marcs blog to know both sides ITS OUR BUSINESS.

thanks

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

only after i was 2 hrs away.and you know that. be honest.... you knew for a week that i would be up there friday. and that was ok with you then you decieded to leave when you knew where i was. thats the truth ill show you the phone records of all your calls to me....

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

nope you knew days in advance
and phone records mean nothing we talked all the time

we talked to you while we were travling up north to make sure all was going ok

we talked almost every day for a month many times it means nothing

Chris I am done with this

Good Luck

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

Matter of fact i can help you recall the conversation. Marc I can pick the boat up this weekend matter of fact i have to because its the only time i can or it will ba another 3 weeks or so. you then said i have a poker run to be at and im getting married sat. but if thats the only time you can the poker run is only 2hrs drive i said im sorry but thats the only time i can you said ok we will leave after you get here. thats why you caled so much to make sure i would be there by 5pm so that is the clarification on picking up the boat.

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

The guy has a PR/wedding to get to. I'd cut him a little slack in the timing of this.
Probably agreed to be there for his appointment in good faith, and then on the day, bride to be is worried about being at the wedding on time, and everything else. My own marriage was a little more important to me as the hour got closer than selling a boat would have been in the moment.
I don't think he would have asked to make the deal/transfer this way if he felt there was going to be an issue with the boat.
Hey, stuff breaks on boats. Usually it's at a pretty un-opportune time.
I think he stepped up to the plate more than he was ever required by ponying up any money at all.
Fix the boat, enjoy it, and get over it.
I also have no horse in the race, just giving my opinion - I'm assuming by coming here and posting this, that you wanted, and knew you would receive opinions.

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

why dont you defend wht other people are saying how another person said youwoned the warf and another saying he thought you owned manning trailer. why arent you correcting there statements........phone records show that day how many times you called me, for what??? why would a person call sooo many times, you knew i would be there by 5pm and you agreed not to leave before i got there because you knew the final seatrail was to take place..... and you left...

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

did you know prior to leaving that he had time constraints?? f he called you several times to find out where you were and when you would get there..I am assuming you did know he had places to be and obligations to attend too. could you have not scheduled the pickup of this boat maybe the following weekend?? even though he could not be there when you arrived it sounds as though he did the best he could to have the boat loaded and ready for you. I fail to see how anyone would have taken you out in a boat knowing it was a ticking time bomb much less leaving it idle away. as for the second sea trial, that was your stipulation and YOUR decision to not do it.you wanted the boat he had, you got it on his terms.. you wanted a second sea trial, but failed to schedule it at a time convenient to him so you took the boat anyways. you wanted a survey, he offered to help you obtain one, you could have easily said No thanks..I will get one independently. No one forced you to buy it, no one forced you to take delivery when you did, no one denied you acces to the boat to have an independent structural and mechanical survey done. yet you decided to hell with it and took the boat home, discovered a problem and then proceeded to ignore the problem and take the boat out, thus turning a problem into a failure. let me repeat, you turned a problem into a failure. you picked up a boat without a second seatrial..I realize we all get excited about getting a new toy. no matter how "grown up" we happen to think we are. he felt bad for you that you had problems that were unknown to him, he offered money to you to defray the expense..you complained that he deducted money from what he sent you for the survey..the survey is your responsibility, he doesnt need a survey to sell a boat, you requested one to buy it.. he offered to sell you a boat for X amount of dollars that he believed to be fully functional , you inspected the boat, he even took you for a ride in the boat to prove it was fully functional, and provide a trained professional to inspect the integrity of the boat. you asked for a second boat ride, he agreed, you failed to show up at a time convenient for him to do so so you chose to forget about the second ride, you took the boat home when there was zero requirement for you to do so, you started it and discovered a problem, you chose to ignore the problem thus resulting in exstensive and expensive damage, you told him you blew it up and he OFFERED you money to help fix it even though he was under no legal obligation to do so and YOUR COMPLAINING?????? lets be an adult here..you did everything out of your own free will because you were excited about getting this new toy..its the real world, this isnt kindergarten when you get a used crayon, push on it to hard, break it, then go crying to the teacher cuz it broke...

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

I hope you guys can come to an agreement and both be happy.

I personally would have NEVER allowed the seller to get his own survey......what were you thinking??? I would have had another survey done by a surveyor of my choice.

I also would have had the owner there at when finalizing the deal and ran a sea trial to make sure everything was good to go. Sorry, Fubard, but I think you were somewhat "negligent" in making sure the "terms" were met at time of sale.

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

Just a guess, but, If my bride-to-be (in a few hours) was on my azz to get to the wedding, I'd be calling every time she asked me to - I've got to live with her the rest of my life, don't want to start out this way.

In regards to owning a trailer Co., or Marina - what difference does it make? This was a deal between two individuals. I'm not saying this is the case in this transaction, but I've been guilty of stretching the truth in the past, I think everyone has.

We all had our college days, and don't tell me that anyone here has ever not stretched the truth to "seal the deal" at a bar with a little hottie while in there 20's:D
Same deal.

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

im not here to care about what you guys think, marc didnt post his blog accurately, so i was just telling the correct version. Im not slamming anybody or implying anything i read what marc wrote on here and just wanted it to be accurate other than that... i dont care, everybody has opions

I feel like im at "coffee talk" on SNL im getting vaclempt talk among yourselfs lolololol that funny i dont care who you are.....HAVE A QUALITY DAY

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

Fubar,

Not trying to keep this going, but it just doesn't make sense to me.

Did you really schedule time to have a second sea trial? I find it hard to believe that Marc would have left you with the boat if you didn't pay for the boat in full. I also find it hard to believe that you would have wired/handed off money before hand if there really was a second sea trial dependent on sale.

Did you sign a sales agreement and slip money under the door?

Since Marc wasn't there I have to assume that you wired the money to him beforehand and he already had a signed sales agreement therefore you probably had no intention of meeting with him.

--Columbo

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

I'll answer two more questions just cause fubar seems to find it important

NO i NEVER Owned the Wharf Marina nor did I imply that I did at any time
I was however General Manager during the time i was there

Second Yes I did own Manning trailers at one time and No i dont own it now

Both items can be verified

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

Say Marc, I think U can remove the 98 Cig. in your personal profile!:eek:

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

boatme - I didn't mean to imply you personally embellished the truth - just that I could see how it could happen.
I still don't see it's relevance to the point at hand anyway.
Personally, I would feel bad for the guy, but at the same time, I have to admit I'd feel a little relief that it sold before I had problem with it myself.
I think you did the right thing by offering to help out in repairs - more than the right thing.
And the fact that you asked the question here while this was going on shows integrity.
I'm good with that.

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

WHEW! That was a novel's worth of reading!

Fubard, sucks you bought a boat that had issues but atleast Marc asked OSO members what he should do to make it right and he sent you something ($1,000 or so).

Now Marc and I have sparred online over a few things so you know I would love to hammer him on this one but I think he just embellished a bit and sold you a hi-performance boat with lots of hours on it.

I think he spun the after story to his favor but I don't think he sold you the boat knowing that it had a bad motor. He is well known in the industry and I don't think he would tarnish his reputation for a few thousand dollars.

Good luck but I think I hear the bell ringing and this will soon be a locked thread. Fubard, welcome to OSO and you have a cool boat that probably runs great now so hope to see you at some Florida Poker Runs. :drink:

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

Jupiter
Hey it is winter and everyone is bored so something new on this board and it gets legs I get to be the reason for all the controversy

Jupiter all is good

by the way we need to talk i think i can do a nice plaque for you of the pics in Powerboating in Paradise

nice shots you had in the Mag

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

Bouyhunter
yea was a strange deal Boat ran good right up till it went to florida then boom it breaks the test ride was great and was a nice time on the water was the last time it was run untill it was taken down south

if you look at the pics in my original post it was just a wear item no way to know till it went

oh well

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

well after reading all this, I would do buisness with boatme anytime...but on my budget..you got an old rowboat for sale???

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

Phragle,

Thanks for the support man i was misssing the love

I had a row boat but that is a entirly new thread
I just dont think i have the enegy for that story :)

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

How does that song go ? .......isnt it ironic, dont ya think a little too ironic:drink:

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

yep it is

Alanis Morrisette

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

fubard it sucks you had problems right off the get i feel for. but you never know with hot rods. i have been around your boat many of times when marc owned it. and he and mrs boatme have had my wife sheri out on it. he has always takin great care of it. i always love the way it looked. and i know its still a great ride.
just my two cents.
todd

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

I think the boat is for sale its a shame yoou soured on it after your problems were resolved it looks like a fine ride

I am still not sure of this thread though do you think Marc new of the problem and cheated you or he did not help enough in the repairs or he smuged you personally in some manner Has to be one of these which one is it?

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

WOW!!!! are you done yet?
fubar I feel your pain but let it go and enjoy the boat, now you know what you have. Its all part of the boating experince good or bad it happens. B-ring O-ut A-nother T-housand

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

Well, I'm a little confused. Wasn't the boat being advertised as having fresh power?? I seem to remember that being stated in the ad as I drooled over that boat a few times!! Now it's being said that there were 400 or 600 hours on them.

Secondly, There is NO WAY that I would have accepted a survey that was paid for by the seller (of any kind). Not anything against Marc....just common sense.:eureka: ;)

What is the big deal with the outdrives? They are Bravos!:eek: ....and they will break every now and then!

Seems to me that some bad judgement was displayed by both parties in the transaction...probably brought on by anxiety and excitement. Hey, it happens, especially when the seller is getting married and the buyer is happy about what he thinks is going to be a great boat. I wouldn't have taken possession of the boat without the owner being there, but that's just me.

The most important thing is that the boat is all fixed now and nobody was hurt or injured. Let it end, chalk it up to experience and move on!!!

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

Please kill this thread!

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

BANG!:p

Re: what would you do? (boatme)
 

The Columbo in me makes me think that you already knew the answers to these questions before you posted them.
:D :cool: :cool: