Sounds good.. Catch ya later.. Jamie

Kirk,
I agree CMI is also a good system & has its place in the market without question. It's just good to also have more than one option.. On tighter twin applications the Cmi is the only other good way I know to go when looking for more bling & power.. I also cant say anything bad about the quality of their pipes, every set we have sold or installed to date has been "A ok".. It's just too bad the pricing is not a little bit better on their products, Although everything everywhere is expensive anymore.. Jamie / Lakeside

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At this point if I was buying today, it would be Dana. BUT this thread was asking about headers (not my thread though). Anyway, wouldn't it be great if we could see a comparison between all 496 headers - Stellings, Lightning, CMI, Bassett (any I forgot).

CMI's are around $4500 per set and I believe the Stellings to be similar. Not enough bang for the buck IMO. Lightning can be had for $2000 (mild steel) or $3500 for all stainless polished. Getting a little more realistic IMO. I wonder about the performance in comparison to the others. Bassett, I really don't know anything about including the price.

Anyone with anything further or corrections?

With all due respect, it absolutely does affect other points of running, perhaps not to the point where you are noticing it with soot. It will richen it by the square root of the pressure ratio.

Michael

I'll agree that the fuel pressure increase is changing the curve through out the range. I think that's a given. From my experience it does not change it to any negative affect.

We had 3 full days on the dyno with three different 496 engines, and have installed and ran this exhaust on two different boats. By "ran" I mean we've installed and ran for extended periods of time with Mercury scan tools and portable O2 sensor kits installed.

At no time did we have any reason for concern with the 3 pound increase.

This increase was a neccesity on the late model 496 HO's. Without the change, the engine will run dangerously lean.

I personally think it is great that Dana Marine has done enough research to know that more fuel is necessary.

I would think that their manifold must be doing something to require more fuel. Either they are producing more HP or TQ (or both) somewhere than others, or the others are running lean. I sure wish we had O2 and EGT sensors with a more sophisticated computer....

The dyno sheets I have seen around here from CMI seem to have some funny things going on with pressure and humidity plus I see it states 92 octane. Maybe those were misprints and sensors not hooked up or whatever,but ?????

Dana Marine Products, can you go ahead and post a dyno sheets of stock versus your manifolds for us (any of the engines)? I have seen other posts where you clearly state the increases along with the baselines. I am not doubting your claims.

I will see if I can dig up somemore info on them like dyno sheets.. I will post it if I can Jamie / Lakeside

[QUOTE=Bill 3;2040669]I sure wish we had O2 and EGT sensors with a more sophisticated computer....
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Are you sure of that? Get ready for big brother to make it much harder to increase HP....IMO

I agree!! As I stated there are alot of nice products on the market. Just hope people make the right decision the first time. We have several customers that bought a lesser brand and ended up paying twice. Looks like you guys rep some nice products Jamie. Hope you have a great season!!!

I am not sure about that, you may be right, and I think we already have enough big brother.

I would guess that we could make more efficient power if the computer could have more info on what it going on with the motor. Almost like tuning on a dyno. It could get rid of a lean condition, or bad fuel. I don't know, maybe air flow, temp and knock sensors are enough.

And then if we could tune our own motors with the likes of HP Tuners or EFI-Live to make up for small changes such as exhaust instead of going with an across the board fuel pressure increase.