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Charlie, is your boat (Benihana) going to be ready?
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Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 2116548)
Charlie..... nothing like stepping out of your boat with blood on your shirt, a dislocated joint or two, a 15 pound weight loss, and a lifetime of memories....... to make you a more "well rounded" racer.
eh? T2x |
Originally Posted by phragle
(Post 2116655)
I think I heard somewherre that scares..not ink..are the tattoo's of the brave
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hmmmm.......250k....any sponsors..
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I think one of the problems (other than what T2X stated) with offshore racing is there is no way for the average spectator to identify with the racers. Most of the boats don't look like the average pleasure boat and there is no (boat) brand name or driver recognition so there are no rivalries. The boats are identified by the sponsor name. Who cares about Rio Roses, Reliable caries, etc? Look at NASCAR, everyone has there favorite drivers and makes. Even though they don't really resemble road cars they still are Chevy's vs Ford vs Mopars. Offshore needs Skaters vs Fountains vs Cigarettes vs Outerlimits, etc. Hey, here's an idea, instead of Fountain and Outlimits doing secret top speed runs independantly, why not enter them in a heads up offshore race like Charlie is talking about? Any length boat (V hull only), any power they want, any drivers they want, point A to point B, winner takes all.
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[QUOTE=BajaFresh;2116690]I think one of the problems (other than what T2X stated) with offshore racing is there is no way for the average spectator to identify with the racers. ,
Bingo ! Fans love Drama . However the racers choose to distance themselves from one another , so no drama = no personality to root for .. Check out the " SVL MIKLOS" thread in racer general forum . That rivalry always get people fired up . :drink: |
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Originally Posted by Dude! Sweet!
(Post 2116642)
Charlie, is your boat (Benihana) going to be ready?
If the boat is ready, I'm going to call Rocky and see if he will come down so we can put him back in his old boat that weekend...should be quite an old school Pt Pleasant event. So, this race will only be a couple of weeks later, if we don't break anything major, I would very much like to participate one more time. This photo I picked up from another thread, but the engines are the same as I just bought from Roger Munn. Looking at mid 700 hp on the dyno, which should be enough to keep up with the pack. I'm counting on the adage that ....Old age and treachery beats youth and enthusiasm any time. |
Beautiful motors Charlie. They look like they just came out of the back side of Denny Hulme's Mk8F!
As I watch myself transition from enthusiastic youth to treacherous old man, I can only say that I'll be pulling for you old farts! Good luck! |
Originally Posted by BajaFresh
(Post 2116690)
I think one of the problems (other than what T2X stated) with offshore racing is there is no way for the average spectator to identify with the racers. Most of the boats don't look like the average pleasure boat and there is no (boat) brand name or driver recognition so there are no rivalries. The boats are identified by the sponsor name. Who cares about Rio Roses, Reliable caries, etc? Look at NASCAR, everyone has there favorite drivers and makes. Even though they don't really resemble road cars they still are Chevy's vs Ford vs Mopars. Offshore needs Skaters vs Fountains vs Cigarettes vs Outerlimits, etc. Hey, here's an idea, instead of Fountain and Outlimits doing secret top speed runs independantly, why not enter them in a heads up offshore race like Charlie is talking about? Any length boat (V hull only), any power they want, any drivers they want, point A to point B, winner takes all.
For God sakes!......get the MTIs vs the Skaters.......Tomlinson vs Impressia ...... capitalise on Fountain vs Outerlimits......use it in your print adds........on your radio adds......Its not that difficult.......instead the adds focus on speed and excitment......OK.......so you go to the race (which I have )and its like "OK....theres alot of boats out here......ahhhhhhh who am I supposed to cheer for?.......the blue one ahhhhhh.....looks pretty" I have several race posters in my garage......not ONE mentions an individual. It should be......"OK,see that number (24) boat.....he thinks he's Mr clean Mr perfect.......and that boat number (20....get it!) is Mr Baddazz......I wanna see Baddazz smoke Mr Perfects clock!!" Boat racing DOES NOT understand WHATSOEVER how to make rivalries work for them....... |
Originally Posted by pullmytrigger
(Post 2116883)
I wholeheartedly agree......remember when Factory1 and2 were on TV.......NO mention of the make of boats.....sponsors only.....the leader rundowns.....all sponsors.....and it was supposed to be "factory against factory"......I remember straining at my TV set......Is that a Warlock......or......what is that???.......
For God sakes!......get the MTIs vs the Skaters.......Tomlinson vs Impressia ...... capitalise on Fountain vs Outerlimits......use it in your print adds........on your radio adds......Its not that difficult.......instead the adds focus on speed and excitment......OK.......so you go to the race (which I have )and its like "OK....theres alot of boats out here......ahhhhhhh who am I supposed to cheer for?.......the blue one ahhhhhh.....looks pretty" I have several race posters in my garage......not ONE mentions an individual. It should be......"OK,see that number (24) boat.....he thinks he's Mr clean Mr perfect.......and that boat number (20....get it!) is Mr Baddazz......I wanna see Baddazz smoke Mr Perfects clock!!" Boat racing DOES NOT understand WHATSOEVER how to make rivalries work for them....... Exactly! Look what happens here when you mention Fountain or Apache in a thread! :eek: They need to capitalize on that aspect, owner loyalty. I know I would root for a Baja if they raced one (and Cigarette! :D ). I'm sure anyone that owns a performance boat would root for their brand. I'm really suprised a marketing master like Reggie hasn't grasped on to this. |
Originally Posted by pullmytrigger
(Post 2116883)
......remember when Factory1 and2 were on TV....
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Originally Posted by Indy
(Post 2116907)
Those were the classes I looked forward to. I'd watch those and maybe the super cat. All else was overkill from my perspective.
Yep- F-1 and F-2. I could relate to that. And if I could scrape together a couple bucks, I could join them. That was good racing. |
Do they throw in wheelchairs and massage therapy? |
I always remember Richard Petty saying why race at 200 when we can put on a show just as good at 150...for a whole lot less money
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T2x
was there ever a Twister 1? Powerabout |
we justb have one little problem with brand identification wars as far as the general public is concerned..show just about anyone anywhere in the country a pik of an offshore boat, there gonna say "thats on of them there cigarette boats!" show them a pik of a fountain and tell them they can recognise it by the beak, or an outerlimits and explain its pimped out with birdseye maple and ostrich leather... they are gonna say hey..thats a cigarette boat..its the fountain edition, and when they see an outerlimits, they will say thats a cigarette pimp my boat model..think they call it an outer limits or something... you have to search pretty hard to find anything with the market branding of a cigarette boat..doesnt matter who makes it. if it has a beak, ostrich leather, is plain white or looks like its covered in some kind of neon spectral vomit, if its long pointy loud and fast...its a cigarette boat ... the few that can tell the difference own something faster than a bayliner and are probably members here
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Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 2116476)
Brian......
I don't see why you couldn't...or shouldn't..run a single in the "Modern"....class. Regarding your new 28' hull...... put a single Buzzi on that thing and watch what happens against the larger multi engine hulls...with 250 KM worth of fuel on board..... (I presume one refueling??). That little devil in 6-7 foot seas could be a real sleeper...... Remember you won't be racing at 90-110....this event will level the field speed at around 65-70........... and the aerial photos and video would be amazing......:D :D T2x |
Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 2116479)
At least now this thread is about something........:D
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Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 2115281)
Racegirl.....
Who is Tx?...poor guy must be old:D To your point I have offered in print on this website...literally miles of suggestions...and predictions....While the predictions come true..... both are ignored.....yet I continue to suggest...and predict. As to the suggestions.... and they have been consistent. 1. Deal in facts...not fan fare. Overhyping the sport and its participants destroys its credibility... Understand that constructive criticism is a good thing and not "negativity", while unconstructive blind optimism is a bad thing and not "possitivity". 2. Look at the current classes with a critical eye......like a spectator with no experience.... you will find that they are too confusing to excite the average joe to come back. There needs to be a single main event feature class that the world, not the racer, can comprehend. 3. Admit that no group has a clue how to televise or even how to get a television contract. Understand that television is the only vehicle you have to create sponsor value. 4. Unify....or die. OPA, OSS, OCS, APBA, SBI, UIM, WTF? 5. Work on a simple plan to attract sponsors, keep race sites, and grow the sport. If the numbers continue to fall, get new leadership. 6. Admit that racers make lousy race promoters, and new racers make lousy (and inexperienced) race promotors. 7. Realise that government by committee yields mediocrity. 8. Understand that the guy with the biggest wallet, bar tab, and mouth is not neccessarily a good leader, nor does he have anyone's interest but his own in mind. 9. Find a real, experienced leader with no private agenda beyond the success of the sport, give him authority, a set of deadlines and a budget to work with......Let him choose his team......Senor David comes to mind each time I bring this up.:D 10. Keep the faith....... you're on a downward curve..fuel prices are soaring.... recreation/boating stocks and budgets are down...so things are likely to worsen before the sun comes out. Just my tired ol' 2 cents. T2x |
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Originally Posted by Airpacker
(Post 2115062)
...Quebec Army to your home....
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Originally Posted by powerabout
(Post 2116968)
T2x
was there ever a Twister 1? Powerabout It was an inline 6 with an exhaust silo running down to the lower unit...... Twister 1's were the first attempt at reducing the noise from the "Stackers". There was also a Twister 2...and a Twister 3 (T-3). The T-3 evolved into today's 2.5 race engines. T2x |
Originally Posted by pullmytrigger
(Post 2116883)
I wholeheartedly agree......remember when Factory1 and2 were on TV.......NO mention of the make of boats.....sponsors only.....the leader rundowns.....all sponsors.....and it was supposed to be "factory against factory"......I remember straining at my TV set......Is that a Warlock......or......what is that???.......
For God sakes!......get the MTIs vs the Skaters.......Tomlinson vs Impressia ...... capitalise on Fountain vs Outerlimits......use it in your print adds........on your radio adds......Its not that difficult.......instead the adds focus on speed and excitment......OK.......so you go to the race (which I have )and its like "OK....theres alot of boats out here......ahhhhhhh who am I supposed to cheer for?.......the blue one ahhhhhh.....looks pretty" I have several race posters in my garage......not ONE mentions an individual. It should be......"OK,see that number (24) boat.....he thinks he's Mr clean Mr perfect.......and that boat number (20....get it!) is Mr Baddazz......I wanna see Baddazz smoke Mr Perfects clock!!" Boat racing DOES NOT understand WHATSOEVER how to make rivalries work for them....... Offshore racing HAS rivalries.......why dont they capatalise on them......??? |
Originally Posted by pullmytrigger
(Post 2117569)
Offshore racing HAS rivalries.......why dont they capatalise on them......???
We have some great rivalries between some teams .... but I think it was referred to as chest thumping :D |
Originally Posted by pullmytrigger
(Post 2117569)
T2x - no comment on this.......???
Offshore racing HAS rivalries.......why dont they capatalise on them......??? For the past 25 years I have advocated featuring our key personalities in the media. Our best are Stevie, JT, Imprescia, Jeff Harris, Billy Moore, Balough, Dyke, Serrales, Robertson, Sgro and a few others. Rarely do they race against each other, and some are on the beach. How do you emphasize rivalries, personalities and competition, when there is no racing continuity to carry the theme? Personality development and creating a fan base for our sport's key players is yet another casuality of the bewilderment which emanates from too many classes and organizations. T2x |
Originally Posted by Racegirl3
(Post 2117586)
We have some great rivalries between some teams .... but I think it was referred to as chest thumping :D
Rivalries are created by a large number of talented people striving to be the best on a level playing field and achieving this by beating the very best....not one or two guys. Chest thumping is bragging about yourself and trash talking about your competitors every chance you get. This occurs at the bar, in forums like this, and sometimes at race sites. It has hurt the sport immensely and created an image of amateurism and petty finger pointing...and has no place in a true racing environment. To go back to an earlier post, true racing is about keeping your mouth shut and proving your ability on the race course, with humility, respect, and gratitude to your team and the people who work so hard to create a forum for you to race on in the first place. There may be great rivalries today but they exist in the minds of very few people who actually care....and that is a shame. T2x |
Originally Posted by T2x
(Post 2117604)
Rivalries are created by a large number of talented people striving to be the best on a level playing field and achieving this by beating the very best....not one or two guys.
Chest thumping is bragging about yourself and trash talking about your competitors every chance you get. This occurs at the bar, in forums like this, and sometimes at race sites. It has hurt the sport immensely and created an image of amateurism and petty finger pointing...and has no place in a true racing environment. To go back to an earlier post, true racing is about keeping your mouth shut and proving your ability on the race course, with humility, respect, and gratitude to your team and the people who work so hard to create a forum for you to race on in the first place. There may be great rivalries today but they exist in the minds of very few people who actually care....and that is a shame. T2x Very well said. |
żisnt t2x stecz father? or is the father of steczś first born?:evilb:
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Originally Posted by ratman
(Post 2117784)
żisnt t2x stecz father? or is the father of steczś first born?:evilb:
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Originally Posted by Top Banana
(Post 2116144)
Here we go with the classes.
There are three classes....that's it. They are putting up the money and effort to get movie footage....that is their whole agenda. The racers either go with the three classes or don't go.......it isn't what I would do, but I'm not putting the money up either. And back to this thread. When T2X became obsolete, that was @ the day Real Offshore Racing ended in USA, IMO. Thank God There Still Is UIM. *Those who don´t know what a T2X is doesn´t know more about boatracing than a pig about a satellite. Rich-keep them stories coming or OSO will become "just another" site ! Greetings from an Offshore fan 4000 miles East and way more up north than NJ...(like Anchorage, Alaska) |
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T2X's evil stepchild.. :eek: :D :drink:
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Isn't Alaska West? I guess that's why you guys don't go far from shore....................
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Originally Posted by Scott B
(Post 2118123)
T2X's evil stepchild.. :eek: :D :drink:
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and T-3's on this
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As requested...This is a T-1
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Originally Posted by BROWNIE
(Post 2118158)
Isn't Alaska West? I guess that's why you guys don't go far from shore....................
Brownie: MikeyFin is in Finland...... T2x |
Originally Posted by Scott B
(Post 2118123)
T2X's evil stepchild.. :eek: :D :drink:
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Funny another thread to put shame on T2x and it only makes him more famous , well I mean obselete!:D
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A Schoolbook example of backfiring !
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