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Originally Posted by iamjoe
(Post 4689617)
So, would I pay to ship the boat back to NY to have it repainted.
if the bulkhead falls of the brand new boat....unfortunately you have to bring the boat back to NY, unless there's a dealer in Europe, then the dealer in Europe has to fix the bulkhead up until Seven Marine was bought by Volvo, Seven Marine had the same issues. IF a Seven Marine engine owner shipped his motor to Europe and the motor has issues while under warranty, and there were no dealers in Europe, Seven Marine does not have obligation fixing that motor unless there were certified Seven Marine mechanics in Europe. Thus that mSeven Marine motor has to be shipped back to Seven Marine in the states. iamjoe, your writing style reminds me of someone here in OSO but living in the Northwest region :) . |
Originally Posted by noli
(Post 4689615)
let's talk later, I think I know where the confusion is
noli Joe is just tell some facts and ask a question , just let arnaldo come out and tell his story or solution don’t try to keep everyone happy here because that won’t work . arnaldo don’t fix a problem and keep quite and let you take the hit for it that’s a shame . You try to save arnaldo / predator name but he have to do this himself it’s not worth to be part in this for you you are a real nice upstanding guy did a lot for me when I was there and during the build , even when we had the issue but arnaldo chose not to fix it , then you had to let him go and deal whit it all . You and arnaldo still have my contact info to work something out |
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What ever Arnaldo said to you to fix this issue, whatever that is (I was not part of it, so I don't know what that was) why didn't you follow his advice instead of destroying his name and reputation on these OSO pages it would've been so much easier for you and everyone else. Not to mention hiring your friend from the Northwest region to come here and gang up on me :) instead you decided to take the up-river route you and I had a great time in Miami....we got to know each other real well during that week....what the heck happened to us :( . |
Originally Posted by noli
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a mercury employee painted that motor, so yes Mercury is on the hook but if mercury hired a company on behalf of the buyer to paint the motor, mercury is not on the hook if I hire Beautiful Upholstery Inc to build the upholstery, and the upholstery begins to fall apart, I'm not on the hook, Beautiful Upholstery is because I outsourced the upholstery on behalf of the owner . . but please stop it would not be worth it to go further it just get worst this way |
Be carefull
Noli , please be carefull i dont know Joe and havent hired Anyone . Which advise arnaldo give me ? We had indeed a great time and that’s why I say let arnaldo take responsibility for his action it’s not yours but this way it give you a bad name over his fault . a few simple facts : why does he not tell his side of the story ? Why he don’t respond on my emails or text? Why he never react on a official letter he got from a attorney that he has responsibility? ( too bad it is not worth it to start a case on such small amount of money in the USA ) but still 4 months income for me so please let us stop now and send arnaldo the message he have to step up and don’t let you take the hits |
Noli
I do not know Bor or anyone from the NW. Should I take your comment on my writing style as a compliment? I'm a published author, so my style has served me well, hence I'm good with it and I hope you are too. If not, ok. In the end Noli, whomever the painter was contracted by is the person who is responsible for making it right. If Bor wanted a certain painter to do the work and instructed the builder to hire that person, Bor should eat it. On the other hand if the builder hired the painter, the builder should eat it. What it all boils down to is common sense and fair play. This is a shining example that customer service is the life-blood of a successful biz. |
Originally Posted by iamjoe
(Post 4689633)
Noli
If Bor wanted a certain painter to do the work and instructed the builder to hire that person, Bor should eat it. On the other hand if the builder hired the painter, the builder should eat it. What it all boils down to is common sense and fair play. This is a shining example that customer service is the life-blood of a successful biz. I'm only as good as the people I have do a job for me, it's a simple and complex as that. We're all human, we all make mistakes, if a sub of mine goofs then I have 100% confidence they'll make it good for me. Now in this case if the boat is overseas the only remedy is $$ reimbursement, but that's the builder's problem and if he doesn't make good on it then it becomes your problem and a big mess and it's where reputation becomes an issue as well as future business. |
Originally Posted by Indy
(Post 4689641)
I'm a builder/remodeler, if I build (say) an addition for a client and the paint starts to peel off the windows it's MY problem. I hired the painter, I qualified the painter, I researched the painter, I've had him do jobs for me before. I wouldn't just go out and hire a painter unless I could vouch for his work...period. It reflects on ME, not the painter, it's MY job, MY people, MY reputation, MY business, MY future referrals, MY expense to redo, NOT the painter. This painter Predator hired should have done tons of work for him before, if not he should have qualified the painter prior to hiring him, if he didn't then he gets what he deserves. Nobody steps on my job that I'm not 100% certain, 100% positive, 100% sure of their ability and performance.
I'm only as good as the people I have do a job for me, it's a simple and complex as that. We're all human, we all make mistakes, if a sub of mine goofs then I have 100% confidence they'll make it good for me. Now in this case if the boat is overseas the only remedy is $$ reimbursement, but that's the builder's problem and if he doesn't make good on it then it becomes your problem and a big mess and it's where reputation becomes an issue as well as future business. |
Originally Posted by iamjoe
(Post 4689650)
Bravo Indy. You'll relate to this story- I used to build custom homes in the Chicago area. I sold a guy a piece of dirt and we contracted for me to build him a 9000+/- home. He insisted that I hire his wife's cousin who was a drywall contractor. I agreed and made note in the contract that I would not take responsibility for the drywall install, finish or paint. When the guy finished the work, it was the worst I'd ever seen. The buyer wanted me to r&r the entire job because he was "disatisfied". My answer was nope, read your contract. He claimed he misunderstood the stipulation tied to the drywall, so he shouldn't be responsible. At one point he said he had so much more money than me, he would bury me in legal fee's. As it turned out, he did have a lot of money. He had won $12M in the Ill lottery. I stopped all work, and literally covered the place with liens. It took more than 5 years to run its course, but in the end I got all of my money, plus interest and all legal fees. He ended up with an almost 6-year old "new" home that was unfinished with expired warrantees on the hvac, plumbing rough-in and electrical. He let it go into foreclosure and another corp I owned bought it for about 30% of what was spent. I gutted it, redid it and made over $400K when the dust settled. I love dumbazzs.......................... especially dumbazzes who won the lotto
what you did there, is illegal in some states [namely, you chit on someone's home, put all sorts of liens on it, and when the homeowner had no where to turn and have his home become a distressed property, you swoop down like a vulture to make money from its remains after you found out the guy was rich from lottery winnings?] and I guess you disagree with Indy when you put all sorts of liens on your customer's property....because Indy, unlike yourself would "expense to redo"....nice?
Originally Posted by Indy
(Post 4689641)
I'm a builder/remodeler, ... it's MY job, MY people, MY reputation, MY business, MY future referrals, MY expense to redo, NOT the painter. ... Nobody steps on my job that I'm not 100% certain, 100% positive, 100% sure of their ability and performance.
I'm only as good as the people I have do a job for me, it's a simple and complex as that. We're all human, we all make mistakes, if a sub of mine goofs then I have 100% confidence they'll make it good for me.... . |
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tooling gel on the new windshield receiver https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...dcf07966_b.jpg . |
Originally Posted by Indy
(Post 4689641)
I'm a builder/remodeler, if I build (say) an addition for a client and the paint starts to peel off the windows it's MY problem. I hired the painter, I qualified the painter, I researched the painter, I've had him do jobs for me before. I wouldn't just go out and hire a painter unless I could vouch for his work...period. It reflects on ME, not the painter, it's MY job, MY people, MY reputation, MY business, MY future referrals, MY expense to redo, NOT the painter. This painter Predator hired should have done tons of work for him before, if not he should have qualified the painter prior to hiring him, if he didn't then he gets what he deserves. Nobody steps on my job that I'm not 100% certain, 100% positive, 100% sure of their ability and performance.
I'm only as good as the people I have do a job for me, it's a simple and complex as that. We're all human, we all make mistakes, if a sub of mine goofs then I have 100% confidence they'll make it good for me. Now in this case if the boat is overseas the only remedy is $$ reimbursement, but that's the builder's problem and if he doesn't make good on it then it becomes your problem and a big mess and it's where reputation becomes an issue as well as future business. And that’s what I tried to work out whit predator over almost 2 years before I went. Public . |
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why don't you start another thread and stop sh*tting on this one this was a beautiful thread go away you guys hijacked this thread long enough don't you think? . |
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Originally Posted by noli
(Post 4689710)
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why don't you start another thread and stop sh*tting on this one this was a beautiful thread go away you guys hijacked this thread long enough don't you think? . Bor, post a link to your old thread if you must but keep it separate. This thread is about what's currently happening at Predator. I'd even call a moderator to clean up this thread, it's all been said before. Noli is the messenger, don't shoot him! Keep up the informative posting Noli, it's well appreciated. RR |
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moderators, please clean up this thread....thanks in advance . |
Originally Posted by noli
(Post 4689688)
omg, you really did some justice there
what you did there, is illegal in some states [namely, you chit on someone's home, put all sorts of liens on it, and when the homeowner had no where to turn and have his home become a distressed property, you swoop down like a vulture to make money from its remains after you found out the guy was rich from lottery winnings?] and I guess you disagree with Indy when you put all sorts of liens on your customer's property....because Indy, unlike yourself would "expense to redo"....nice? . The wifes cousin chit on the home because of bad workmanship. What I did was protect myself from a contractor I was forced to hire. That's legal anywhere. The owner agreed to take responsibility and then backed out. As for the liens, that's what one does to protect himself and his subs who deserve to get paid. Remember Noli, this guy spent a lot of money on legal fee's so I'm not sure where you get he had no where to turn. Franklly Noli. As for me swooping in, after 5-years of brain damage fighting with an unethical pr!ck and the fact that I still owned a portion of the land it was on, are you saying that I should have walked away from what I still owned and held title on? Why? Whine to the moderators all you want. The point is that Predator screwed Bor and he went public. Too bad, so sad |
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iamjoe, if you ever get to meet Arnaldo you would like him. He's a natural guy. He trusts people on the very first meeting. I've know him over ten years and my feelings are the same now as it was when I first met him. He will give you more than what was agreed upon, the man just loves delivering and making customers happy Over the years I've come to know only two individuals who at first were great to deal with and again with Arnaldo having open arms, trusts you first then questions later. these two individuals who I will not name are swindlers. They wanted to take more than what was agreed upon and more than what was given to them for free[there are contractual deliverables, and there are freebie deliverables]. At first you wouldn't know their ill intent but over the course of the transaction you just know that sth was off. Once Arnaldo senses what you're trying to do his defense mechanism kicks in, which is too late at times and then the transaction becomes problematic. There is a customer in Florida who built a boat and when the jackplates failed, Arnaldo replaced them no questions asked, but he only asked for the old ones back. Those jackplates are still in the back room, he ate that cost. The two swindlers know who they are and they will remain nameless as even I don't know their full names. . |
Originally Posted by noli
(Post 4689747)
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iamjoe, if you ever get to meet Arnaldo you would like him. He's a natural guy. He trusts people on the very first meeting. I've know him over ten years and my feelings are the same now as it was when I first met him. He will give you more than what was agreed upon, the man just loves delivering and making customers happy Over the years I've come to know only two individuals who at first were great to deal with and again with Arnaldo having open arms, trusts you first then questions later. these two individuals who I will not name are swindlers. They wanted to take more than what was agreed upon and more than what was given to them for free[there are contractual deliverables, and there are freebie deliverables]. At first you wouldn't know their ill intent but over the course of the transaction you just know that sth was off. Once Arnaldo senses what you're trying to do his defense mechanism kicks in, which is too late at times and then the transaction becomes problematic. There is a customer in Florida who built a boat and when the jackplates failed, Arnaldo replaced them no questions asked, but he only asked for the old ones back. Those jackplates are still in the back room, he ate that cost. The two swindlers know who they are and they will remain nameless as even I don't know their full names. . I probably would like him. In this situation, everything went sideways (certainly not by design) and the parties involved simply could not find a mutually beneficial solution. I would bet anything that Predator didn't wake up one day and say "lets give Bor a bad job so we can pistol whip each other and damage ourselves for years" That just didn't happen. As someone who has watched it for years, It wish that after all of this, thy could finally come to some conclusion that would make everyone satisfied. Think about it Noli, what a story that would make! Thanks Noli again, no hard feelings and I really do enjoy your contribution to this hobby |
Originally Posted by rak rua
(Post 4689719)
Agreed. Bor, post a link to your old thread if you must but keep it separate. This thread is about what's currently happening at Predator. I'd even call a moderator to clean up this thread, it's all been said before. Noli is the messenger, don't shoot him! Keep up the informative posting Noli, it's well appreciated. RR joe just asked a question and I gave a answer on it after that Noli start to answer arround it while he know almost everything as I send it to him and arnaldo , a few phone calls whit arnaldo he don’t know of . but I stop whit it it’s only a shame that all positive things can be sad but a bad thing not my old post is deleted whitout any notice from moderators in a few days maybe hrs . any calls or emails predator don’t answer so they just want to solve it . and there side of the story doesn’t come because I have everything to back mine up Simple as that . I wish predator and Noli all the best but hope they learned from this and thread other customers better if there s a issue even as simple as pay the new paint bill in $8000 in terms of $ 100 , vinyl and all the work I would take on me so it still looked as beautiful as it was in Miami . Take care bor |
I understand Bor. I'm just an observer, you've had a bad experience, I wish all parties well and hope this excellent thread moves forward.... (still needs a cleanup IMO) :) Cheers, Jon. |
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the final tooling gel applied and begin buffing https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...1c2f2a101d.jpg |
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again this is a plug, once the mold is finished, this plug will be destroyed btw, just got word that Arnaldo is moving more into the lighter composite materials for strength and weight savings https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...b01863322c.jpg |
What's different about this windshield than the last one?
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in the previous builds, the receivers were glassed-in each time, then the dash was glassed-in an order for a windshield was made this time, its all part of 1 pull from the mold no difference, except the build is faster the previous way may have added a couple of pounds due to the body work, but nothing too substantial the dash, [which is not visible] is also bigger now to accommodate the larger screens . |
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here's a pic I found on the internet from a major cat manufacturer the dash is glassed in, and so is the receiver https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...e8cd970b_b.jpg . |
Originally Posted by noli
(Post 4690095)
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here's a pic I found on the internet from a major cat manufacturer the dash is glassed in, and so is the receiver https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...e8cd970b_b.jpg . |
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I'll try to find out who Arnaldo uses . |
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beginning to buff the surface of plug and remove imperfections the hull below the deck tooling is the C306 widebody 400Rs hull #2 https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...fe5e4e36_h.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...6efb703c_h.jpg . |
can you put inboards in this hull like amt did?
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yes, this is what you get with the I/O model * extra stringers * relocation of fuel tanks * beefier transom * taller hull * 2 xtra-large engine hatches * optional cabin up front * top-mounted engine scoops or side mounted scoops * optional bustle w/ swim steps * please call Arnaldo . |
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the buffing and waxing of the deck plug is complete the red can is the tooling gelcoat of the mold. the wax (on the black) will allow the separation of the deck plug from the deck mold https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...c5389f53_k.jpg . |
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after the deck is buffed and many coats of wax, the red tooling gelcoat is applied. The wax will allow the red gelcoat to separate from the deck plug https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...a384a1b297.jpg |
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the red gelcoat will not harden fully until the laminates are applied on top of the red gelcoat... layers of laminates are applied on top of red gelcoat... https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...9290986ebe.jpg |
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Then a frame is built around the laminates , together [red gelcoat, laminates, metal tubes] makes up the deck mold https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...a6e9923391.jpg |
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wheels are welded onto metal tubes to allow moving the tooling around in the shop straps are tied around the metal frame and is used to "pop" the deck mold from the deck plug the deck mold again is made up of [red gelcoat, laminates, metal tubes] which is getting lifted here https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...42915f1d05.jpg |
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the deck mold make ready with wax and then a new deck can be built https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...c9a84fff89.jpg |
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