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Old 05-08-2014 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL
I called the Secretary Of State they told me at minimum I need a D plate for the truck. ( 1 ton) As far as if that plate covers the trailer, he didn`t know, checked with the supervisor, that person didn`t know either so they gave me some other commercial truck number to call.. lol
If you run a D plate, you also don't have to follow the lift laws on vehicle height and you don't have to run fender lips if your tires stick out beyond your fenders.
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Old 05-08-2014 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL
I called the Secretary Of State they told me at minimum I need a D plate for the truck. ( 1 ton) As far as if that plate covers the trailer, he didn`t know, checked with the supervisor, that person didn`t know either so they gave me some other commercial truck number to call.. lol
Yes sir. Thats the ***** of it. Nobody clearly knows. So the SOS employee, knows enough to tell you that you NEED a minimum of a "D" plate, doesnt know enough to comment on the trailer plate.

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(625 ILCS 5/3-401) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 3-401)
Sec. 3-401. Effect of provisions.
(a) It shall be unlawful for any person to violate any provision of this Chapter or to drive or move or for an owner knowingly to permit to be driven or moved upon any highway any vehicle of a type required to be registered hereunder which is not registered or for which the appropriate fee has not been paid when and as required hereunder, except that when application accompanied by proper fee has been made for registration of a vehicle it may be operated temporarily pending complete registration upon displaying a duplicate application duly verified or other evidence of such application or otherwise under rules and regulations promulgated by the Secretary of State.
(b) The appropriate fees required to be paid under the various provisions of this Act for registration of vehicles shall mean the fee or fees which would have been paid initially, if proper and timely application had been made to the Secretary of State for the appropriate registration required, whether such registration be a flat weight registration, a single trip permit, a reciprocity permit or a supplemental application to an original prorate application together with payment of fees due under the supplemental application for prorate decals.
(c) Effective October 1, 1984, no vehicle required to pay a Federal Highway Users Tax shall be registered unless proof of payment, in a form prescribed and approved by the Secretary of State, is submitted with the appropriate registration. Notwithstanding any other provision of this Code, failure of the applicant to comply with this paragraph shall be deemed grounds for the Secretary to refuse registration.
(c-1) A vehicle may not be registered by the Secretary of State unless that vehicle:
(1) was originally manufactured for operation on highways;



(2) is a modification of a vehicle that was originally manufactured for operation on highways; or



(3) was assembled from component parts designed for use in vehicles to be operated on highways.



(d) Second division vehicles.
(1) A vehicle of the second division moved or operated within this State shall have had paid for it the appropriate registration fees and flat weight tax, as evidenced by the Illinois registration issued for that vehicle, for the gross weight of the vehicle and load being operated or moved within this State. Second division vehicles of foreign jurisdictions operated within this State under a single trip permit, fleet reciprocity plan, prorate registration plan, or apportional registration plan, instead of second division vehicle registration under Article VIII of this Chapter, must have had paid for it the appropriate registration fees and flat weight tax in the base jurisdiction of that vehicle, as evidenced by the maximum gross weight shown on the foreign registration cards, plus any appropriate fees required under this Code.



(2) If a vehicle and load are operated in this State and the appropriate fees and taxes have not been paid or the vehicle and load exceed the registered gross weight for which the required fees and taxes have been paid by 2001 pounds or more, the operator or owner shall be fined as provided in Section 15-113 of this Code. However, an owner or operator shall not be subject to arrest under this subsection for any weight in excess of 80,000 pounds. Further, no fine shall exceed the actual cost of what the appropriate registration for that vehicle and load should have been as established in subsection (a) of Section 3-815 of this Chapter regardless of the route traveled. For purposes of this paragraph (2), "appropriate registration" means the full annual cost of the required registration and its associated fees.


So, I assume that, if lets say you need a ''D" plate, and a "TE" plate, does this mean, that if you DONT, and are stopped, the maximum fine can only be up to, what a "D" plate, and "TE" plate cost for 1 year registration? If so, than that is not that bad.



[B] (3) Any person operating a legal combination of vehicles displaying valid registration shall not be considered in violation of the registration provision of this subsection unless the total gross weight of the combination exceeds the total licensed weight of the vehicles in the combination. The gross weight of a vehicle exempt from the registration requirements of this Chapter shall not be included when determining the total gross weight of vehicles in combination.

I assume this means, that, if you are towing a trailer, as long as the trailer and truck plate weight classes add up to a higher amount than you are towing, than you should be ok?



(4) If the defendant claims that he or she had previously paid the appropriate Illinois registration fees and taxes for this vehicle before the alleged violation, the defendant shall have the burden of proving the existence of the payment by competent evidence. Proof of proper Illinois registration issued by the Secretary of State, or the appropriate registration authority from the foreign state, shall be the only competent evidence of payment.



(Source: P.A. 97-201, eff. 1-1-12.)

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Old 05-08-2014 | 09:20 PM
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So you were right Joe, once i got to someone that knew what they were talking about they said trailer plate for the trailer weight... truck plate for truck weight.
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Old 05-08-2014 | 09:23 PM
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(625 ILCS 5/15-113) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 15-113)

Sec. 15-113. Violations; Penalties.

(a) Whenever any vehicle is operated in violation of the provisions of Section 15-111 or subsection (d) of Section 3-401, the owner or driver of such vehicle shall be deemed guilty of such violation and either the owner or the driver of such vehicle may be prosecuted for such violation. Any person charged with a violation of any of these provisions who pleads not guilty shall be present in court for the trial on the charge. Any person, firm or corporation convicted of any violation of Section 15-111 including, but not limited to, a maximum axle or gross limit specified on a regulatory sign posted in accordance with paragraph (e) or (f) of Section 15-111, shall be fined according to the following schedule:

Up to and including 2000 pounds overweight, the fine is $100

From 2001 through 2500 pounds overweight, the fine is $270

From 2501 through 3000 pounds overweight, the fine is $330

From 3001 through 3500 pounds overweight, the fine is $520

From 3501 through 4000 pounds overweight, the fine is $600

From 4001 through 4500 pounds overweight, the fine is $850

From 4501 through 5000 pounds overweight, the fine is $950

From 5001 or more pounds overweight, the fine shall be computed by assessing $1500 for the first 5000 pounds overweight and $150 for each additional increment of 500 pounds overweight or fraction thereof.

In addition any person, firm or corporation convicted of 4 or more violations of Section 15-111 within any 12 month period shall be fined an additional amount of $5,000 for the fourth and each subsequent conviction within the 12 month period. Provided, however, that with regard to a firm or corporation, a fourth or subsequent conviction shall mean a fourth or subsequent conviction attributable to any one employee-driver.

(b) Whenever any vehicle is operated in violation of the provisions of Sections 15-102, 15-103 or 15-107, the owner or driver of such vehicle shall be deemed guilty of such violation and either may be prosecuted for such violation. Any person, firm or corporation convicted of any violation of Sections 15-102, 15-103 or 15-107 shall be fined for the first or second conviction an amount equal to not less than $50 nor more than $500, and for the third and subsequent convictions by the same person, firm or corporation within a period of one year after the date of the first offense, not less than $500 nor more than $1,000.

(c) All proceeds of the additional fines imposed by this amendatory Act of the 96th General Assembly shall be deposited into the Capital Projects Fund.
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Old 05-08-2014 | 09:43 PM
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The IL license plate ratings confuse the hell out of me. The truck plates are one thing, and then with the combination vehicle along with trailer plates seems to really be a grey area.
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Old 05-08-2014 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Double C
The IL license plate ratings confuse the hell out of me. The truck plates are one thing, and then with the combination vehicle along with trailer plates seems to really be a grey area.
It's really simple actually. Forget the door jamb stickers, trailer gvw and all that. What you need is a truck plate that covers the weight of your truck (including tongue weight). And a trailer plate that covers the weight of your trailer with the boat on it. Not what it weighs on paper, but what it weighs when they take you to the scale. That's what they look at.

Don't forget that with a "d" plate on the truck you need safety inspections done and sticker, same on the trailers. Illinois loves making it difficult for people
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Old 05-08-2014 | 10:24 PM
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I hear you on the making it difficult. I have a class A CDL and that is a whole different level of difficult. The DOT regs., medical cards, log books, etc. The state is broke and it is a lot easier for the cops to pull over a personally owned truck/trailer or commercial rig and give them thousands of dollars worth of tickets than to pull over numerous speeders/seat belt violators.
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Old 05-08-2014 | 10:52 PM
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one thing is for sure,IT,S ALL ABOUT THE REVENUE in illinois.without a doubt the most crooked state in the union being led by a complete moron!
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Old 05-08-2014 | 10:56 PM
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Not only do I live in the worst state in the union, the worst county in that state, and the worst city in that county when it comes to taxes and fees. I must be dead from the neck up to still be here .
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Old 05-08-2014 | 11:19 PM
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What’s wrong with a B plate on a one Ton truck I don’t go over 8000 pounds in the truck towing a trailer with a TD plate.
Is it the safety inspection sticker can’t I get one with a B plate on the Truck. Does not look like I will be putting in at Winthrop Harbor $ 40.00 every time to the city of Winthrop Harbor.
Wisconsin can’t be as bad is it. Over all length 56’
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