Concept 36 with 5.3 Yamaha's
 

I am looking to purchase a Concept 36 rigged or rerigged with two 5.3 Yamaha's. Preferably with 2003 or newer hull. Any leads, comments or suggestions.

We have one of the nicest 36s ever built with triple Yamahas. What is your number or give me a call?

CJ Fischer
616-318-2066
Wharf Marina
616-842-5370

Any pics?

What are 5.3 Yamaha's? LEOPJM and his friend WickedWon bought 36 Concepts with triple 300's and no arch/bimini. I believe LEOPJM's might be for sale.

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Good looking boat! I’m curious why did you not go with an arch or t-top, storage issues?

THANKS !

Besides the fact that i think they look better without the arch ( more like a traditional sport boat ) didn't want any extra wt. , rattles, squeeks ect .....

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Sorry Mark, I had too..... Watch, I'll probably go out on the Apache and blow a drive this weekend... :angry-smiley-055:

5.3 vs. triples ??
 

I wanted to see what everyone thinks about this setup:

You save about 200 pounds vs. triple fourstrokes. I am thinking about how it’s going to handle in rough water when launching off waves and when idling or stopped. The boat will sit a few inches higher in the rear not having triples. This could mean waves not coming over the transom when idling or stopped. I also want to stick with fourstrokes. Don’t want to worry about oil when I am far away from home a t some little marina gas pump. Also there is emissions, must have carb 3 rating. The Yamaha 5.3’s are efficient but that size displacement likes to drink gas. Also seriously thinking about Suzuki’s 4.0 300 hp and the Verado 300. I am not completely sold on the supercharged Verado. You lose hp turning a supercharger. They could have done that naturally asperated. Not to get off track, but the same goes for sterndrive. You probably lose 20-30 or more with the Merc 1075 SCI turning a supercharger. Turbocharging is going to come back. The software and technology are there. They started experimenting in the 70s and 80s with turbos in offshore racing, but they didn’t have the engine management software they have now. I am not looking for hard hitting performance of a 2 stroke but I would like to do 60-65 mph with 6 people with their fishing and scuba gear. The 5.3 is a torque monster for pushing weight but is 200 pounds heavier than the Verado and Suzuki. It’s an alternative to triples and you don’t lose space on the swim platform/bracket.. You are still saving weight. I am trying to get a good balance of handling, performance and effieciency with the Concept 36 for what I want to do.

Yes, I know 300XS trip set up is lighter. I am not sure how good they would be for long distance travel. Who wants to warry about oil when your in some far off marina gas pump. Can they run on 87 or 89 octane and get full 300 hp. What about emissions ? Are the 3 star CARB rated ? Are they good for trolling ?

I thought this web sight was about offshore. Not two miles from shore. What is with this river poker run stuff with 40 - 50 ft performance boats ? Its more of a status symbol than anything. I remember when offshore racing use to be offshore 100 - 200 mile races. Performance boaters use to race each other to different islands in the Bahamas and else where.

status symbol

I hear you on this one ... My boating usually consists of 80 mile legs over open water ( lake erie ) with occasional side trips , and then a return 80 mile run home , most times the same day / nite ..... My 36 does this very well when it just me , or with one other person along ..... bringing the kids , or more people , and a possilbe overnight is a little cramped on the 36 ..... and there have been days out there where an extra 3 - 4 feet would come in handy ! Everything i'm looking at seems to be too "beamy" and gets away from the performance I want . A 39 / 40 Concept with an 8' 6" beam woulld be the ticket :cool-smiley-011:

Those 350 Yammies and really heavy and I figure on a 36 Concept which is a really light weight 36 CC (really a 33') those engines would really disrupt the balance of the boat.

...also about "beamy" boats...do not discount a 9 to 10'6" beam CC...as some brands like my 38 Fountain have serious performance with the step hull and are more stable in rough water.

ditto

It's nice to hear that someone gets out and actually uses there boat for what it is built for. I like the Concept 36 (Apache) because it has a flat deck and narrow beam old school look. Most of the time it will be just day trips for fishing and diving with wife and kids (4). Sometimes we will have friends with and the overnights will be at the marina hotel. I have a limited storage space, the 36 (33ft plus bracket and 40ft with trailer) is as wide and long as I can go.

Weight
 

I am thinking the same thing. Its a lot of weight for just 2 motors. You almost would get the same performance from a 300 hp Suzuki or Verado and better handling. I like a few of the bigger boats. I Really think the 39ft Midnight Express is cool with quads. Spectre, Fountain and Carrera are great as well. They are stable and wide fast (victory at sea) hulls. As I mentioned previously I am limited on storage space and there is the longterm cost of owning and operating that people sometimes don't think about.

TFK, I would stick with Mercury offerings for a Concept. the new 2007.5 Verado's are getting even better mileage than the pre-2006 versions. Best of luck!

Ive driven one with twin 250 Verados and thought it was ass heavy but still ran good.

Funny thing..... I was talking with someone last week and telling them I was going on a 140 mile trip via. the ocean this coming weekend.... they told me to TRAILER it.... What fun is that...... :throw:

I didn't buy an offshore boat just to trailer it around all over the place, I bought it so we could take it offshore! :cool-smiley-011:

Also...if you performance go with Mercury outboards....I am not married to Merc nor there biggest fan but there outboards simply are the best for these type of boats.

Spoke candidly with a Merc. tech this weekend that services some of the bigger O/B CC boats mentioned above ..... Loves the Verados , BUT , don't jsut bolt them on and forget them .... the bracketing and attachment hardware is a "weak link" especially without external steering and tie bars . Just 'cause they don't require them to "steer" doesn't mean you shouldn't have them on there .... especially if you run your boat hard . FYI .

Perfect logic, but there seem to be some twists.
I can't for the life of me remember which magazine had a recent write-up of a same boat repower with twin and then triple 350's, but it called out a couple of interesting points.

First was that it was comparable performance going from triples to twin 350's. Fuel consumption, MPH all basically identical. Second was the drastic increase in performance with triples, but they went out of their way to say that Yamaha did not envision this motor to be exceeding 70MPH. It is a mass mover, not a hot rod.

The cost savings is negligible in my opinion. 3 x $17K for triple 300XS' or 2 x $26K for twin 350's. You might be able to do better on price, but there is the rigging of twins vs. triples to take into account.

You will most likely see the Merc's look similar to the Suzuki's in the near future with respect to the cam drive system. A Merc rep at the Miami show is where I heard this, and they consider this to be a superior way to get power to the prop.

My thinking at the moment:

Big, heavy performance center console would be Suzuki 300's, Yamaha 350's (if it was really heavy and never going to be a rocket) and then Verado 300's. I have heard Suzuki is a bear to deal with in terms of warranty claims, so checking with your local dealer might be a good thing as well before writing a check. The 350's may require beefing up the transom or new bracket to support the weight.

More performance oriented (a lighter boat or overall faster designed CC) would be 300XS' or really hard looks at the new Evinrude E-Tec's. The more I hear about them, the more I like them.

My .02

weight
 

I am not looking for blistering top speed. Just enough power in a fourstroke for 60-65 mph loaoded with people and gear. Looks like 350 is to heavy for this application. E-Tecs are really good, but I want to stay away from oil burners.

External Steering
 

Good point, Does or is Merc going to make the Verado external steering capable like 250 and 300 XS?

Thats what I am talking about
 

Its good to hear from real people that enjoy and use there boats for what they were built for.

Good question ??????

Just another day in Jersey...... :D
http://www.surfline.com/reports/report.cfm?id=5157

Wind Speed: 24 mph
Wind Direction: ENE (72°)
Surf: Overhead
Sea State: Very rough
Sea Surface Temp: 74 F
Wave Height: 9 ft.
Wave Direction: E (91°)
Wave Period: 7 sec.

You want all the weight you can get in something like that.....that's why they built Apaches like brick chit houses! I wouldn't be caught dead in one of these new potato chip boats...

Lighter is faster, heavier is smoother as a rule of thumb.

CONCEPT 32 FE SPORT BOAT
Max Outboard Rating: 500 HP
Fuel Capacity: 212 Gallon
Weight*: 3600 lbs.

CARRERA 32
Overall length: 32'
Beam width: 9.3
Weight: 6500 NO MOTORS
Gunnel height: 2.10
Draft: 24"
Fuel: 275 gal.
MAX H.P. RATING: 900

You compare....I dont think the Concept can take the Yami's and they would have to get recertified for the extra power.

I thought we were talking about Concepts and Yammies... :D

Anyway, just saying i'd rather have a heavier boat with a good bottom for a better ride. It may be slower but my passengers would thank me.

Does anyone know anything about Solid Powerboats? They make a decent looking 40 center console.

http://www.solidpowerboats.com/boat_models/40.html

If you paid attention to the thread tkf chicago has been comparing both for a while along with a couple of other makes.

Thats exactlly what geranimo is saying slower speed but smoother ride.

Their in Miami they build a nice boat but in the last year or so they havent sold anything and the owner has been just working on used boats(repairs).

spelling sucks
 

I was in a hurry. Thanks, I changed it.

To wide
 

The bracket/swim platform integrated into the hull design and layup is the strongest. The wider beam (9 ft plus) is great for a stable ride. You trade speed for sea worthy. It won't fit through the gate on the side of the house. I would probably consider a 32ft Carrera. How wide is one on the trailer?

My parameters for storage are 43ft x 9ft 4in.