Sounds about right!:ernaehrung004:

note the smiley...and put your sarcasm filter at full tilt ;)

instead lets wonder/search where that Squadron/Apache is...

Panther ,Thank you for the great videos !!!!! They tell the story enough said.:ernaehrung004:

Very interesting and cool. I do wonder why Mr. McManus never completed his website or even updates it...I wonder if he would be as big or popular as Outerlimits if he tried to market the Apache business...:cool:

Nah. Not in today's climate. Quantity and flash rule over quality. You need step-bottom flyweight boats that aren't worth a damn in real water to sell in the high-end these days. That's the antithesis of Apache.

As was said before, McManus is doing refits and repairs. Folks who own Apaches know where to find him. More website would only bring more inquiries on new boats- 95% from tire-kickers.

Interesting...he fought hard and spent big $$$$ to keep the name, so why not make $$$ with the name? You make sense, but his actions do not....weird?

Now which one? There´s two Apache 33 models said to be..a wider version and a narrower?
So which one is a spinoff a 33 Flatdeck Cig and which one is a spin off from a 35 Mistress ?

Not to sound skeptical or judging anyone but If I was building boats especially in the early days I surely would try to rent/loan a mold ( at least while getting started or building one-offs )and do a few hulls.
I´m positive Don A did rent his molds too if they weren´t used much.

I´m just trying to trace the history here that´s all, maybe even help future restorers/boatbuilders.

A few years back I was told the 33 Apache was a damed up version of Don's winningest boat his 39 Squadron with some freeboad added also. This was the narrow beam not shure of were the wide beam version came from.

Thanks!

Although it doesn't predate the Squadron, the "Legend of Apache" video by Big Seas Productions also documents the history quite well! All the footage is original. :cool:

Don't know about that but the 39 Squadron certainly wouldn't be Don's winningest design- so few were made and even fewer were race boats. My guess would be the 35.

That is an incredible boat. Where is it now?

Yes it is. Built by the best....Mark McManus. And no matter how many AssClowns try to discredit him with their crybaby nonsense, his credentials are unimpeachable.

Mark McManus......Master Boatbuilder



I believe "Spirit of Apache" is for sale in the Dupont Registry

Dont think it was his winigest design but the boat Don himself won the most races in 168 or so races. Had some print outs of some of the posts annd emails from like 4 or 5 years ago. Need to go through and reread some of them. Lost some of the info. As I find it I have been attempting to gather it all togeather. Some was just talking with Bobby S. over the phone.

PM me your mailing address and I'll drop off the DVD for you to watch....

No discredit to him for what he's done... He managed operations then later built the boats and they were great....he carried the torch after the founding fathers built it....

Here's how I see it..
1. Don Aronow - Hull Designer
2. Ben Kramer - CEO(Venture Capitalist)
3. Bob Saccenti - Original President/Founder
4. Mark McManus - Head of Operations later turned President(government seizure while Benny's trial was going on, then some years later owner)

Benny and Bob were traveling all over the world making name the for Apache and put them on the map by kicking azz! Mark first worked part-time for Benny/Bob then later worked full time when Benny made the offer because Bob left to go out on his own and build the less than 40 ft boats and Benny/Bob were still racing together. Mark worked for Don and was part of the Halter/Cigarette aquisition... This is my understanding...with some details left out to shorten the story. Feel free to fill in the blans if you please..

BOTTOM LINE, THEY ARE ALL TALENTED INDIVIDUALS! :ernaehrung004:



Which brings me to my next point.....this is all the more reason Apache's are still worth a lot to some people nowadays......BTW, isn't that why this thread was started....back on topic..:cool:

Didn't McManus build the Tsunami Apache which was a new boat not to long ago, as well the spirt of Apache boat was basically a boat build?? Correct me if im wrong.

I passed econ, thank you very much. Actually two with spirit of Apache.:D Im sure if you go to McManus he'll build you a new one. There's really no market for a newer apache. With the price tags that would be on them people could have a kick a** Outerlimits. Cigarette, MTI, or Skater. Even if there was Saber is there as well. You still didnt answer if you have a boat or not??:D:D

with all the support he gets from the uninformed O.S.O crew it more like this............

do you need more education or are you ready to step up to the plate and become a BOATER.......boating rocks dude.......

I read stuff like this and I wonder why we do not have an IQ standard that must be met before somebody like this can post. Just for the record, "He ain't a boat builder no more" is not only murdering the English language, but it's a double negative which technically means: "He is a boat builder"!

Anyway, Eric, what happened? Did somebody who looks like Mark McManus steal your girlfriend? Did somebody in an Apache offend you at the dock one day? I can't imagine why you even care if there are 50 new boats or none. What difference does it make? If we "old farts" want to believe something, what of it?

No we have a Cigarette that was built on 188th street, if you havnt noticed, and I do have pride of ownership for the number one! You should learn to write in english as well so people can actually understand you.

Didnt see your post before mine Ed. Right on!!! He's just a wannabe!

Again, english please!! So your a groupie ehh.:D:D

not even a groupie..low life... spawned in bilge water no doubt.

Very true!! I WAS being too kind!

Is this the same speedo that dazzled us with your brilliance on SW. Great artwork too!
http://www.speedwake.com/upload/show...threadid=50503

Wow! It's going to be a long, yet entertaining winter!

Only 60 today...upper 30's tonight... Rebuilt one of the blowers this afternoon...beats doing nothing.. lol

Speedzero r u getn a edaction her or a fukin up? mabee a skatee booard wood werk btter for yer dumb ass.er a canoo:Whatever:

Now you sir are a true tool,the kid is having a lil' fun, and you blow it out of context,he can be very funny.:D

well now they often call him Speedo but his real name is mister EARL.....as in earl the pearl check out video on apache threads.....m.m........

I´d agree with Chris on this one.

Also the Wider 33 might be a older style widebody Cig 36 which also has the same beam as the Scarabs...and the look...
Offtopic:
The highest hull number I´ve seen on a Squadron XII 39 is a 1981 model and no 8 of that year, a heavy mother that is bytheway...the bare hull weighs over 6500lbs ...compare that to a race 38 CUV at 5800 complete With Lambos and Sixes...and a Apache41 at 8600...

I had a little buzz on last night, i remember some posts from earl,i am amazed i could type anything!:D

My 33 with race construction, carbon fiber hull, fully rigged, twin fuel tanks and interior weighs in at 9000 lbs.

Wow thats a lot..the 41 weight I took from El Indios quote once (?).
Not an Epoxy boat is it?
How much without the interior?

My 36' is 9500 lbs. and a full pleasure version.

I think most of the pleasure 41's were sub 12-15K weights. El Indio's being one of the light ones. Not bad for a work boat!

When I want to bicker back & forth with teenagers, all I have to do is walk down the hall to their bedrooms. Much easier than typing!

What year is it?

IIRC, Mark has posted a weight of around 8500# wet & ready. I remember the pics from under the deck- you could tell someone's shoe size if they were standing on top.

I was told all the weight lost with the carbon fiber lay up was added back in the structure of the boat thusly ended up weighing what a standard pleasure version would weigh. I think it will hold 300 gals of gas too. Interior only consists of two 6' settees and a 8' v birth. Two hanging lockers that are going to be removed have something different planned. There is loss of head room and foot room due to the 4 full stringers in the deck and the 5 full ones in the hull. Then theres the full bulk headss about every 18".