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Chris Sunkin 06-27-2008 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by Cevert (Post 2604663)
Wrong on all counts. The raceboat was not in peril, in fact an argument can be made that it was in better hands when being towed by the Geico RIB, an actual rescue boat, piloted by an experienced race driver whose opinion about the stability of the inverted raceboat is every bit as valid as those of these pirates. If ScottB and the Geico crew felt towing the raceboat imperiled the RIB and tossing the tow rope to these pirates was tantamount to transferring the risk,then salvage rules apply. This was a choice of convenience, since the crew of Geico were fully capable of towing the raceboat to the crane.Furthermore, the owners of the raceboat had every reasonable expectation that their boat would return to the crane without any further intervention to mitigate additional damage to the boat. This is a raceboat after all, not some heavily loaded Sunday cruiser.

Peril did not exist as a precondition to declaring this a salvage.

This was a race environment.Sea conditions were favorable, and there was no risk of the raceboat becoming a menace to others, either in the water or on land.It did not involve a couple of weekend warriors in over their heads. The fact that these pirates released the raceboat in the intercoastal prior to its being secured to the crane (in other words, the exact condition it was in when the tow rope was transferred from the Geico RIB meant they didn't improve or secure the status of the raceboat)

This was extortion.

You missed some very important words in my post...


Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin (Post 2603880)
I believe their argument would be...

I don't care much for what these folks did. Had I been there, I would probably been the guy losing his temper and boarding the ST boat. I'm merely stating what I believe they will claim the situation to be. The person on the other side needs to be well-prepared to counter assertions such as I made. The questions they'll pose are going to revolve around how and why the boat was handed off and the fact that it had been involved in a high speed mishap and was upside-down. The arbitrator or jury, being neophytes, might not share your viewpoint on whether or not this fit the definition of peril. I'd also be very careful on positioning myself as an expert or professional. They'll make the case that two professionals would easily be assumed to be astutely aware of the laws and as such would have had a thorough understanding of the ramifications of the actions as they happened.

I'm on your side on the issue- The SeaTow operators tried to pull a fast one and will probably press the issue. I hope they lose.

fund razor 06-27-2008 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by ScottB (Post 2603993)
I have a 1000 gallon per minute pump on the GEICO/Mercury rescue boat, she wasn't going down

If anybody asks you to prove that it will do 1000... I think that you should show them 850 on Sunday, and then in August I think that (with Rich Luhrs) you should go ahead and unleash the full 1000. :D Ok, I will stop now.

BY U BOY 06-27-2008 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by fund razor (Post 2604928)
If anybody asks you to prove that it will do 1000... I think that you should show them 850 on Sunday, and then in August I think that (with Rich Luhrs) you should go ahead and unleash the full 1000. :D Ok, I will stop now.

Nice:drink:

fund razor 06-27-2008 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by BY U BOY (Post 2604933)
Nice:drink:

I am in one of those moods. 6th day working and one was 16 hours. I believe I have become slap happy. :) End hijack.

ScottB 06-27-2008 12:50 PM

I just nicknamed it the "quad digits pump" :D

PS I meant gph

fund razor 06-27-2008 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by ScottB (Post 2604938)
I just nicknamed it the "tripple digits pump" :D

PS I meant gph

If it will really do 1000, I think you should go with "quad digits." :D Ok, I really am done. I promise.

Chris Sunkin 06-27-2008 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by ScottB (Post 2604938)
I just nicknamed it the "quad digits pump" :D

PS I meant gph

Damn. I was hoping to see a 1000 GPM pump in action, sucking out a bilge. It would probably suck the boat right down the hose.

Sean H 06-27-2008 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin (Post 2605008)
Damn. I was hoping to see a 1000 GPM pump in action, sucking out a bilge. It would probably suck the boat right down the hose.

well if it was gpm, they could fight fires with it too :D, as most of the on water fireboats are in the 1500 gpm range...

VetteLT193 06-27-2008 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin (Post 2603534)
In fairness to these operators, I was at the SeaTow and the TowBoatUS sites today and read their information. It's fairly clearly spelled out- the difference between a tow and salvage. There are certainly a number of gray areas and I'M CERTAIN a number of opportunistic acts like the tow on the Lambo boat, but nonetheless, they do make an effort to inform. I'm sure the operators do take advantage of the individual's lack of knowledge, but they do at least open the door.

Look at it this way- do you read your auto insurance policy? Do you note the changes they make? Or do you, as with 99.99% of all others, assume that "somebody" is watching out for you and that being a "reputable" corporation. They wouldn't pull anything underhanded? Well, in this case, there's no state insurance commission or attorneys general looking out for you.

effort to inform my azz. The only effort I see is geared towards making as much money as possible. The only way you can even see the legal BS is to click on the sign up button. It is down there in small text and no where else to be found. Even there it isn't clear what is covered and what isn't. What classifies a 'beached' boat, or a hard grounded boat, or ? In spirit it sounds like you are covered unless the shiat is hitting the fan. In practice it isn't the case

The trailer coverage is a whole other story. If you haven't had to have a trailer towed, $150 per incident sounds pretty good. Then you actually call Sea Tow and their recommended tow service charges $185 just to show up ++++ from there. They say it gives you "peace of mind"... yeaaahhhh right.

WARPARTY36 06-27-2008 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by Chris Sunkin (Post 2605008)
Damn. I was hoping to see a 1000 GPM pump in action, sucking out a bilge. It would probably suck the boat right down the hose.

The large blending trailers the we build have 2 8000 GPM pumps:D

I have seen RP mad before and the Cajun comes out in him:eek: "We aint wasting the steps MF":drink: Sorry to hear about all of this crap Richie:( I'm sure it will all work out in the end.

How is that electric jack handle treating you?:evilb:


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