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Old 07-24-2008 | 03:14 PM
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Centrifugal systems can run more boost because their position on the front or side of the engine allows the use of a larger intercooler than can be used with a roots or screw compressor. This higher boost will not be available until higher RPM, which is theoretically easier on the drive, but your Bravo XR still isn't going to like it.
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Old 07-24-2008 | 09:19 PM
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I have a pair pro chargers I would love to trade for a fresh set of whipples . They work good but I know the whipples work better. Maybe Dustin would like me to test a set for him ?
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Old 07-24-2008 | 09:28 PM
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I have a pair pro chargers I would love to trade for a fresh set of whipples . They work good but I know the whipples work better. Maybe Dustin would like me to test a set for him ?
Ha ha, not sure, what is scrap aluminum going for these days? LOL

Best to throw them on the OSO classified. Watcha got in that Scarab?
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Old 07-24-2008 | 09:34 PM
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The bigger the centrifugal, the larger the lag time, as boost curves get bigger (from low rpm to high rpm), the harder it is to prop the boat for maximum drive-ability. Some big boats, even with vent systems on their drives, still require full throttle, full boost at low rpms. Those boats simply would never get on plane with centrifugal equipped motors. Small boats, single engine would not suffer as much as the bigger, go fast boats and thus could be good canidates for centrifugal systems. RPM becomes very key to making centrifugals work, because you need smaller pitches on the prop then rpm to get the MPH, but then the centrifugal keeps building boost, which can be a limitation.

Both systems have their purpose and best markets, both make great top end hp, but torque curves are extremely different.
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Old 07-25-2008 | 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Whipple Charged
The bigger the centrifugal, the larger the lag time, as boost curves get bigger (from low rpm to high rpm), the harder it is to prop the boat for maximum drive-ability. Some big boats, even with vent systems on their drives, still require full throttle, full boost at low rpms. Those boats simply would never get on plane with centrifugal equipped motors. Small boats, single engine would not suffer as much as the bigger, go fast boats and thus could be good canidates for centrifugal systems. RPM becomes very key to making centrifugals work, because you need smaller pitches on the prop then rpm to get the MPH, but then the centrifugal keeps building boost, which can be a limitation.

Both systems have their purpose and best markets, both make great top end hp, but torque curves are extremely different.
Why would a BIGGER centrifugal have a longer lag time,its going to pump more air earlier at a lower rpm,its not like its a turbo waiting to spool up? I could see the smaller centrifugals not making boost until the rpm's come up. I have seen 4-6 psi of boost around 3000 rpm's if I go to wot taking off. I have had people tell me now for years about how centrifugals don't make any torque on the bottom end but my 8-1 540 made 775 ft lbs at 3000,858 by 3400,896 by 3600 and it continues upward from there peaking over 1000 ft lbs and carying 900 to 6000 rpm's. If I had built my motor at 9-1 instead of 8-1 (I built it at 8-1 to run more boost on top end) it would have even more tq down low but I couldn't use any more low end any ways,Smitty
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Old 07-25-2008 | 01:50 PM
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Smitty, You figured out my problem Yet? I'm thinking warped exhaust valves. Doing a leak down tomorrow. I guess i'll throw another two grand at it.
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Old 07-25-2008 | 01:55 PM
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Smitty, You figured out my problem Yet? I'm thinking warped exhaust valves. Doing a leak down tomorrow. I guess i'll throw another two grand at it.
Ken,I see the lightnings are for sale,were they reverting and getting water on your valves? Call me,Smitty
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Old 07-25-2008 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by articfriends
Why would a BIGGER centrifugal have a longer lag time,its going to pump more air earlier at a lower rpm,its not like its a turbo waiting to spool up? I could see the smaller centrifugals not making boost until the rpm's come up. I have seen 4-6 psi of boost around 3000 rpm's if I go to wot taking off. I have had people tell me now for years about how centrifugals don't make any torque on the bottom end but my 8-1 540 made 775 ft lbs at 3000,858 by 3400,896 by 3600 and it continues upward from there peaking over 1000 ft lbs and carying 900 to 6000 rpm's. If I had built my motor at 9-1 instead of 8-1 (I built it at 8-1 to run more boost on top end) it would have even more tq down low but I couldn't use any more low end any ways,Smitty
Actually, larger centrifugals have larger boost curves, they leak more at low speeds and are not as efficient at low rpms. Check a few blower maps, you'll see, plot your blower speed through the curves. When the SC comes into it's higher VE range, the boost starts to increase steadily. When using a smaller centrifugal, they are typically spun at higher rpms and go through their ideal range earlier, giving more boost down low, more torque and then don't build up as much on top.

Screws, roots, etc. all do the same thing, just not as dramatic.
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Old 07-28-2008 | 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Whipple Charged
Ha ha, not sure, what is scrap aluminum going for these days? LOL

Best to throw them on the OSO classified. Watcha got in that Scarab?
Running hp500's with pro chargers threw the carbs and harden exhaust with xr uppers & 2'' shorty imco's .
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Old 07-29-2008 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff P31
Running hp500's with pro chargers threw the carbs and harden exhaust with xr uppers & 2'' shorty imco's .
Well I bet that bad boy runs pretty darn good!
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