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Old 12-20-2008, 09:59 AM
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I was looking at Late model Cigarrette Top Gun's....I see the market is off....Where's the market at?????
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Russia and Europe....
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Russia and Europe....
The dollar is cheap right now.
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Not anymore.. it used to be at 1.55 but has come up to 1.3 to Euro.
the market is where the moneys at and Cigarette has a dealer in Moscow for example, the biggest and most expensive town in the world as we speak.

Russians and those in Europe that can afford don´t think about how cheap something is ..it has to be quality and heritage in it too.
Cigarettes have it and then some custom builders like Pantera and McManus, why not even Saber.

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Quality/Russia , yea, sure.
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there is no market.... everything is dead in the water

maybe some custom factory direct orders to cig skater mti NT and OL but id bet thats it....

production stuff and dealers or gonna be colapsing in the new year... go look in the classifieds at new in stock production stuff....

when that stuff gets liquidated... that will set new market values... and people who have boats r gonna be sicker than when they look at there portfolios... cause once it happens the prices wont go back up... they r depreciating assets.... and now because of the default rate(which is bigger than u guys can imagine, 30,000 at key bank alone) lenders r few and far between.... and unlike the auto industry, a boat is not a neccesity its a luxury no one is contemplating now... or at least not enough to sustain dozens of production run manufacturers


sorry for gloom and doom but lets be realistic
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Quality/ American products... yea sure...just look at the Big3.
I have a 82 Z/28, a 1970 SS396, A 1965 GranSport convertible and a C4 Coupe and I´ve had prolly a Dozen other US cars ...so I know what I´m talking about.

I Said Russians have buying power and they know how to demand quality. I´m in a raceteam that has made Audis as Racecars for Russians..they didn´t want Daewoo/Chevrolets for some reason.
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Interesting question. WHERE is the high performance market for ANY of these boats? Where are the Skaters, Outerlimits and NorTechs selling? Or are they?
2 NorTech Cats came after a 2 year battle to get them compliant with our regulations over here.

Seems other builders ain´t that keen to go thru the bureocracy to get their products globally compliant sot down the prolly go.
Fountains have stepped up to the plate so does Cigarette and Donzi.
Outerlimits prolly will follow.
skater ..maybe not I think they go the raceboat route instead and gets an exemption.
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there is no market.... everything is dead in the water

maybe some custom factory direct orders to cig skater mti NT and OL but id bet thats it....

production stuff and dealers or gonna be colapsing in the new year... go look in the classifieds at new in stock production stuff....

when that stuff gets liquidated... that will set new market values... and people who have boats r gonna be sicker than when they look at there portfolios... cause once it happens the prices wont go back up... they r depreciating assets.... and now because of the default rate(which is bigger than u guys can imagine, 30,000 at key bank alone) lenders r few and far between.... and unlike the auto industry, a boat is not a neccesity its a luxury no one is contemplating now... or at least not enough to sustain dozens of production run manufacturers


sorry for gloom and doom but lets be realistic
Volvo Trucks have closed for one Month Globally... and the US plant alltogether. their sales had at the last quarter plummeted 99,7% all the other Truck makes are thinking of closings too.
American Trucks companies are all owned by Europeans makes. So they will get the Ax first as their products ain´t globally sellable.

Chrysler has shut down alltogether at least for a while, Daimler thought about closing it alltogether years ago.

I´ts about time american boatcompanies start to think global as at least now they have the upper hand at the offshore type markets and when you think globall you can´t be prejudiced...because money Talks and Bull**** runs a Marathon.
Would´ve thought that USA would´ve woken up sooner than late to realize all their assets are owned abroad at least then Americans could´ve had some say in the decisions.
Now look at Flint and Detroit nowadays..a Damn shame IMO that so many american live Below the poverty level even for a 3rd world country.

I hope and Wish none this affects the powerboat companies and they can get over this especially those making a comeback or sticking to the Heritage but It certainly looks bad..even the sailboat segment is sitting still.
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there is no market.... everything is dead in the water

maybe some custom factory direct orders to cig skater mti NT and OL but id bet thats it....

production stuff and dealers or gonna be colapsing in the new year... go look in the classifieds at new in stock production stuff....

when that stuff gets liquidated... that will set new market values... and people who have boats r gonna be sicker than when they look at there portfolios... cause once it happens the prices wont go back up... they r depreciating assets.... and now because of the default rate(which is bigger than u guys can imagine, 30,000 at key bank alone) lenders r few and far between.... and unlike the auto industry, a boat is not a neccesity its a luxury no one is contemplating now... or at least not enough to sustain dozens of production run manufacturers


sorry for gloom and doom but lets be realistic
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