Trouty!

We see eye to eye.
You have strong support here and seem connected.
Ill stand down and watch.


Uncle Dave

My only attempt was to help those blindly defending the guy because he's a fireman and a good mechanic; two things that have nothing to do with the case...uncle dave



Are you serious. it has alot to do with the case it shows what kind of a person he is. My god it shows his character. What would your opinion be is it said he was a d***bag? your already convicting him and it says hes a firefighter what would you say if it said he was a drug dealer. this thread is getting stupid.....again

You just took Thisistanks quote and changed it by adding my name to it.

As I stated in my last post - Im finished discussing these points with Thisistank.

Who are you addressing in your altered quote? Him or me?

I dont want to speak for Tank - but I believe the point we are agreeing on is he's innocent until proven guilty no matter his line of work.

Uncle Dave

What exactly is a "cool call"? Is that the kind of thing where the alleged victim, or someone else, calls the alleged molester and gets him to discuss it, to prove he did it? But if so, then what is a "sting" or a "set-up". Is there a proper definition of these things for a case like this?

Very good question.

It is actually a "Cold Call" It is when the police in a controlled setting have the "Victim" call the suspect with a series of questions or an outline to stay on point on a taped line. The "Victim" then gets the "Suspect" to admit everything and talk about specifics. That way the Police department takes the tape to the Prosecuter and they then issue warrants. In fact it is not hearsay and it is almost always admissible.

If they have him on a cold call he is done. HE will have to plead the case out period.

And yes I have done these they are much better than a confession.

Now I do not know anyone involved so these are basic police techniques, and accepted nationwide.

actually yes, it was my statements, not Daves.

And yea, I'm serious. character may come into play when sentencing but has nothing to do with a case.

Troutly ring a bell (cop and friend to many on here)? How about OJ Simpson (well respected actor and sports hero)?

And no, I'm not convicting him. In the big scheme of things, our opinions don't really matter. He'll be tried and judged. But go back and read some of my posts on the various threads.

I've said it several times: Don't hang him and don't blindly defend him. The legal system will do it's job.

I don't know all the details, just some. I still say, let the courts do its job. And I still say, his character doesn't matter during trial, only the facts.

Good summary. Except in Ca. it is actually called a "cool call".

I however disagree with your statement "he'll have to plead the case out period". Too many variables. Remember you're dealing with California Lawyers. Or more likely a plea bargain is being hammered out and will take time. in the time being a "not guilty" plea is smart. Plea guilty and it's all over.

Guess we'll just wait and see.

I am floored that you have 11 posts and none about boats that I have seen

I don't think there is an actual definition of "Set-up". I believe it is viewed as a situation where someone is falsley accused or arrested for something they didn't do after law enforcement did something to make it appear they did.

A "sting" is commonly considered a longer investigation. Where someone is observed over long periods of time, many times observed while commiting crimes, I.E. drug sales, prostitution, buying/selling stolen property, etc. Nothing where there is a "victim" being directly harmed or the potential for harm.

Hope that helps.