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Originally Posted by cigarette1
(Post 259446)
Heh .. Heh ..... he said ".. run circles around the Cigarette TS Top Gun!!! " ..... Now that's comedy :D
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Originally Posted by Rick G
(Post 259788)
Skypirate, the one determining factor you did not address in your evaluation was resale value and market. .
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Originally Posted by AC
(Post 260545)
Congratulations - but did you take a good look at the fit & finish on the AT - nowhere near the Cigarette! AT is not consistent - I had two - now I have a Cigarette!
Originally Posted by RiverGirl
(Post 262864)
eeeh...
is it me or am I ALWAYS seeing AT Boys bashing others .? :rolleyes:
Originally Posted by RiverGirl
(Post 263113)
I just love ruffling feathers around here!
But how do I know you guys aren’t part of AT or best friends with the Owners of AT..? and maybe you’re making these statements based on fear of threat in the industry..? Would that be fair for me to judge.. as you are judging me..? Nor, do I have to explain whom I am friends with or not. I guess if I thought that way I wouldn’t like Skater nor Apache…. only Cigarette…? I don’t know the PowerPlay boys well. Nor do I know this Bosco fella… But, from what I gather when I met them... very nice guys, whom I feel are doing their best and believe in their product. But because they don’t talk much about it, you’re going to question the product..? I have heard nothing but good about the boat! I guess time will tell. The comments I have read, don’t seem much, except for assumptions. That’s all. I don’t feel that any of you have sound concrete facts! So if you are just assuming, then why say a darn thing. Basically, you guys just did to me, what Bosco did for PowerPlay. Stand up to what he believes is a good product. I guess that’s my point. Why make comments off of flawed judgment..? I am proud to see you guys stand behind the products you believe in. I’m sure it makes the owner of AT proud to have you guys as customers. I have yet to experience the pleasure of meeting the owner of AT or experiencing what the AT is all about. Maybe someday I will get to enjoy the AT experience...all around! I think we should appreciate all offshore boats/ manufactures. For goodness sakes, they are manufactured because of the love of the sport for us to enjoy! So why be against someone who loves the same sport/hobby/industry as we do? my thoughts on Cigarette / AT … When I look at a Cigarette….. I think about all the history behind it. How does AT compare to that? What’s AT history..? Does it have the ledgens name.. whom started all of this ...."Don A's" name behind it..? how long have they been around..? Educate me.
Originally Posted by The Wizard
(Post 263271)
Hey all,
Just want to give everyone a heads up. There's a guy that worked for Powerplay and now works for AT. Well... he's a little angry...and he's also into computers. He goes under 4-6 different names on this board and he'll take shots anytime he can to give it back to Powerplay. He'll state he's from Pompono Beach or won't have anything location listed. So i would wonder if A/T knows about this?? Now....back to the cheerleading!!!! |
OLD SCHOOL...stirring the pot....how's those motors running:grinser010:
as the story goes on...Boscoe, (whom I thought was Dan in my earlier conversations and threads, who owned PP at one time) left PP after Dan owed him $ and ended up working for A.T. I met Boscoe on a PR. and think very highly of him. I also met Dan Weinstein, and think the opposite, and he no longer is in business. Glad I didnt buy a 38 PP, and ended up with the 37 A.T. It's funny what happens in 5 years, small world. To this day even though I own a Nor-Tech I still stay in contact with and do poker runs with many of the A.T. guys and Owners. Good people, great product, Like a fine wine, better with age. Jeff |
Gosh, I take a fun poke at Active Thunder and Cigarette from the days of way back, and someone always has to twist things just a little extra. I wonder why that always seems to be the case.
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Those are some interesting findings.............
Congrats |
Speaking of twisting "things just a little extra":
Brian Tillett Active Thunder Factory Rep. Brian; back when this thread was written, wasn't the "Sonic 26" the best boat known to offshore? :) :) LOL Craig stirring the pot - LMFAO! It is funny though. |
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Originally Posted by BillR
(Post 2368600)
Speaking of twisting "things just a little extra":
Brian Tillett Active Thunder Factory Rep. Brian; back when this thread was written, wasn't the "Sonic 26" the best boat known to offshore? :) :) LOL |
Originally Posted by Sydwayz
(Post 2368618)
Nah, the 26' Sonic could not hold a candle to the 28' Powerquest. :drink:
Dayum!! Good memory my friend!! Now that's funny! It's winter and jus bustin on ya a bit!!! LOL :D:D:D:D You gonna have enough time to talk at chill out this year? |
Originally Posted by BillR
(Post 2368624)
Dayum!! Good memory my friend!! Now that's funny!
It's winter and jus bustin on ya a bit!!! LOL :D:D:D:D You gonna have enough time to talk at chill out this year? |
Originally Posted by Jassman
(Post 2368065)
OLD SCHOOL...stirring the pot....how's those motors running:grinser010:
Originally Posted by Sydwayz
(Post 2368215)
Gosh, I take a fun poke at Active Thunder and Cigarette from the days of way back, and someone always has to twist things just a little extra. I wonder why that always seems to be the case.
BUT.......Different strokes for different folks makes the world an interesting place! :) Merry Christmas, Craig |
Originally Posted by OldSchool
(Post 2368963)
It's just getting a little old. Too much hype...let the boats get thier reputation from performance, fit and finish, resale value and happy customers. Not sure how other people feel, but having a few people always cramming how great active thunders are down our throats gets old. There are no ill feelings on my part about any of it as I find it entertaining, but (IMHO) the internet can backfire on people in the boat industry when used in the wrong way. Just my $.02.
BUT.......Different strokes for different folks makes the world an interesting place! :) Merry Christmas, Craig :evilb::drink: And a Happy New Year to you too. |
Originally Posted by OldSchool
(Post 2368963)
Not sure how other people feel, but having a few people always cramming how great active thunders are down our throats gets old. There are no ill feelings on my part about any of it as I find it entertaining, but (IMHO) the internet can backfire on people in the boat industry when used in the wrong way.
I agree about too much hype as well as backfiring. I was really excited to have an opportunity to buy an AT when I was shopping 38' boats. I too heard how great they were on OSO. The boat I was looking at ended up being DockmanRich's boat. I sea trialed the boat in some snotty water - the winds were 20 to 25 knots that day.. In "MY" opinion (and the opinions of other OSO/HRPA members), it did not live up to what I had read on OSO. Plus there were some other issues that made me uncomfortable. From what I read on OSO; I was expecting impeccable build quality and a smooth solid ride in the rough. I am in no way bashing AT. I think AT makes a beautiful boat and I too would be proud if I owned one. |
Originally Posted by OldSchool
(Post 2368963)
It's just getting a little old. Too much hype...let the boats get thier reputation from performance, fit and finish, resale value and happy customers. Not sure how other people feel, but having a few people always cramming how great active thunders are down our throats gets old. There are no ill feelings on my part about any of it as I find it entertaining, but (IMHO) the internet can backfire on people in the boat industry when used in the wrong way. Just my $.02.
BUT.......Different strokes for different folks makes the world an interesting place! :) Merry Christmas, Craig |
Originally Posted by Blueman
(Post 264023)
Glad I just bought an apache. :D |
Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater
(Post 2369122)
What a great reading. It basically sums up why good old heavy resin buckets are superior to newer high tech materials.
Glad I just bought an apache. :D 3 more days:drink: |
Originally Posted by BY U BOY
(Post 2369167)
I think that apache is going to sink the min you put it in the water. So to save your self the head ache you need to sell it to me.:D:D:D
3 more days:drink: Next time one pops up just remember that there is PLENTY OF TIME to check it over once you put down a deposit. I'm still kind of bewildered as to how I got there first. |
Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater
(Post 2369251)
Don't jenks the boat man........ especially in this wheather. I think my transport time just went from 3-4 days to 4-6 thanks to mother nature.
Next time one pops up just remember that there is PLENTY OF TIME to check it over once you put down a deposit. I'm still kind of bewildered as to how I got there first. I have a sonic in mind if its still around in march.If not ill just keep looking. Another few months won't kill me.:D |
Bosco = As far as the dig about composite manufacturing, Powerplay has been out in the forefront. All the boats are vaccum bagged core of an inch in thickness. They use pure vinylester resin, and the most advanced Knytex nit laminants. All boats spend 2 weeks while being molded. 160 man hours go into bonding the components together as one piece prior to rigging.
I'm no expert in fiberglass boat constrution, so my question is, what does all this really mean in comparison to other boats? |
Originally Posted by OldSchool
(Post 2368963)
It's just getting a little old. Too much hype...let the boats get thier reputation from performance, fit and finish, resale value and happy customers. Not sure how other people feel, but having a few people always cramming how great active thunders are down our throats gets old. There are no ill feelings on my part about any of it as I find it entertaining, but (IMHO) the internet can backfire on people in the boat industry when used in the wrong way. Just my $.02.
BUT.......Different strokes for different folks makes the world an interesting place! :) Merry Christmas, Craig
Originally Posted by BillR
(Post 2369093)
I agree about too much hype as well as backfiring.
I was really excited to have an opportunity to buy an AT when I was shopping 38' boats. I too heard how great they were on OSO. The boat I was looking at ended up being DockmanRich's boat. I sea trialed the boat in some snotty water - the winds were 20 to 25 knots that day.. In "MY" opinion (and the opinions of other OSO/HRPA members), it did not live up to what I had read on OSO. Plus there were some other issues that made me uncomfortable. From what I read on OSO; I was expecting impeccable build quality and a smooth solid ride in the rough. I am in no way bashing AT. I think AT makes a beautiful boat and I too would be proud if I owned one. But you Cigarette guys can be pretty proud at times also. :musik010: :D |
Originally Posted by XPRESS 33PP
(Post 2369483)
Bosco = As far as the dig about composite manufacturing, Powerplay has been out in the forefront. All the boats are vaccum bagged core of an inch in thickness. They use pure vinylester resin, and the most advanced Knytex nit laminants. All boats spend 2 weeks while being molded. 160 man hours go into bonding the components together as one piece prior to rigging.
I'm no expert in fiberglass boat constrution, so my question is, what does all this really mean in comparison to other boats? PowerPlays are better than Apaches, OuterLimits, Cigarette's and Nor-Techs. :D |
Originally Posted by Jassman
(Post 2369546)
PowerPlays are better than Apaches, OuterLimits, Cigarette's and Nor-Techs. :D
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Originally Posted by Jassman
(Post 2369546)
PowerPlays are better than Apaches, OuterLimits, Cigarette's and Nor-Techs. :D
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Originally Posted by XPRESS 33PP
(Post 2369556)
Here we go!!!! LOL:party-smiley-004:
We know you were tuiting your PP horn, buts it's not nearly as bad as those Cigarette guys.:D |
tooting your PP horn
:DI have someone who does that for me (very rarely). That was a serious question tho. After readying the article about composite hulls. Makes me wonder. |
I personally don't like any of them. They are all a bunch of hype...
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Originally Posted by XPRESS 33PP
(Post 2369570)
tooting your PP horn
:DI have someone who does that for me (very rarely). That was a serious question tho. After readying the article about composite hulls. Makes me wonder. I agree, it was and still to date is a great article. I personally am not into a all no wood boat. I like the way Nortech builds them as well. Over 1" thick, wood in all the right area's, a layup that seems to work, using carbon fiber in certain areas and in my boat a resin infused process, not to stiff to loosen your filins, and great in the ruff stuff. I could not be more pleased with my latest 43. They dont care to compete in the racing division, so there set up is perfect for the masses. Im pleased, and Ive owned many boats, and always seem to come back to these 43 V's. |
I crawled around in a NT39 last year at Fastboats and was very impressed. I have never ridden in one yet. Chuck Allens36 cat is the only other one I've seen up close. Not that many of them up here.
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Originally Posted by Jassman
(Post 2369546)
PowerPlays are better than Apaches, OuterLimits, Cigarette's and Nor-Techs. :D
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Originally Posted by Jassman
(Post 2369546)
PowerPlays are better than Apaches, OuterLimits, Cigarette's and Nor-Techs. :D
But this time you HAVE to stop for fuel.:evilb: Right, ClarkStar? |
Originally Posted by XPRESS 33PP
(Post 2369570)
That was a serious question tho. After readying the article about composite hulls. Makes me wonder.
Today, I totally disagree but only if the learning curve lesson was actually learned. |
Actually the Fiance'
Originally Posted by BY U BOY
(Post 2369456)
That sucks>Im ready to pounce on something but the grlfriend wants me to wait untill after the wedding.
I have a sonic in mind if its still around in march.If not ill just keep looking. Another few months won't kill me.:D |
Originally Posted by ACTIVESHACK
(Post 2369604)
I see the ATs are not on your list so are they as good as a PP ? :evilb: :D
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Originally Posted by Jassman
(Post 2369866)
By far, pound for pound the best built boat on the water today::party-smiley-004::D
BTW you can bring a Whaler into 12-16 footers and not get one single drop of water on you!! |
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Originally Posted by ActiveThunder
(Post 2369657)
Ok, atleast you didn't mention AT so you can come with us to Key West next year, again.
But this time you HAVE to stop for fuel.:evilb: Right, ClarkStar? luv ya Jeff! |
Originally Posted by OldSchool
(Post 2368963)
Umm, running fine when they were winterized.:confused::confused: ..but thanks for asking!
It's just getting a little old. Too much hype...let the boats get thier reputation from performance, fit and finish, resale value and happy customers. Not sure how other people feel, but having a few people always cramming how great active thunders are down our throats gets old. There are no ill feelings on my part about any of it as I find it entertaining, but (IMHO) the internet can backfire on people in the boat industry when used in the wrong way. Just my $.02. BUT.......Different strokes for different folks makes the world an interesting place! Merry Christmas, Craig LOL......kinda makes you laugh at them? :D:D:D |
Originally Posted by PhantomChaos
(Post 2370318)
LOL......kinda makes you laugh at them? :D:D:D
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Originally Posted by OldSchool
(Post 2368009)
:eek:
:hitfan: :hitfan: :hitfan: Where is RiverGirl these days???? Now....back to the cheerleading!!!! Old School, It must be that your jealous cause all the A.T. guys are down to earth, and you Cig. guys are, oh well, we won't go there.:D |
WOW I just went through this whole thing, WOW, I am a cult member and will admit I may be a little over proud when posting about them.And I have been told lately that there is just way to many sales pitch's being thrown out there every where you look. I don't slam anyone else's boats (except one brand that I won't go into now) I love'em all and to me its all about the sport and haveing fun. And I will admit that the best one i ever had the most fun with was a 22 ft Crown Line 225 CCR. And it cost less than my last motor. I wish I could go back to those days and just be happy. Thats what its all about being happy on the water. The A.T. cult is really all about the love of the sport. Sorry if we are getting outa hand. :ernaehrung004:
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Originally Posted by Jassman
(Post 2370535)
Kinda makes me laugh, everytime any of the A.T. guys post, out comes Old School looking to pounce:....Kinda like a bully in school, who puts on that cool club jacket:evilb: praying on that real educated nice guy that gets the girls and beats you to the punch. Everytime. You remind me of a gov't worker:D
but, I'm looking out the window of my classroom and I see this kid with glasses and fat pockets. I'm going to run out to the playground and steal his lunch money!! :rolleyes::Whatever: I'll post later!!!!!!!! In the meantime, below is my earlier post. I stand by that and remember, it's just my opinion and I don't know chit! .... Except that I don't have to hype my boat.;) For the record, I have NEVER said a negative thing about Active Thunder boats. I'm sure that they are nice boats, but I've never ridden on one. EARLIER POST: It's just getting a little old. Too much hype...let the boats get thier reputation from performance, fit and finish, resale value and happy customers. Not sure how other people feel, but having a few people always cramming how great active thunders are down our throats gets old. There are no ill feelings on my part about any of it as I find it entertaining, but (IMHO) the internet can backfire on people in the boat industry when used in the wrong way. Just my $.02. BUT.......Different strokes for different folks makes the world an interesting place! Merry Christmas, Craig PS- Being home sick and not having the internet for a week sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
This year
Originally Posted by ActiveThunder
(Post 2369666)
10 years ago when most of the experimentaion began I agree. All manufacturers had a learning curve. Myself included.
Today, I totally disagree but only if the learning curve lesson was actually learned. |
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