63' Bertram Possibly stuffed off SC???
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WOW Just finished watching the video of the sunk Bertram.
All i can say is i don't think 2 or 3 layers of some biaxe on each side of some 3/4 foam core stands a chance of holding up against tons of water being driven into with a 100 thousand pounds of boat behind it.
Man that thing is paper thin and also lacked any real structural backing such as some interior framework or real bulheads.
If i owned a newer Bertram right now i would be afraid to take it out on anything but a flat calm day.
All i can say is i don't think 2 or 3 layers of some biaxe on each side of some 3/4 foam core stands a chance of holding up against tons of water being driven into with a 100 thousand pounds of boat behind it.
Man that thing is paper thin and also lacked any real structural backing such as some interior framework or real bulheads.
If i owned a newer Bertram right now i would be afraid to take it out on anything but a flat calm day.
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From: Beautiful Fort Lauderdale www.cheetahcat.com
WOW Just finished watching the video of the sunk Bertram.
All i can say is i don't think 2 or 3 layers of some biaxe on each side of some 3/4 foam core stands a chance of holding up against tons of water being driven into with a 100 thousand pounds of boat behind it.
Man that thing is paper thin and also lacked any real structural backing such as some interior framework or real bulheads.
If i owned a newer Bertram right now i would be afraid to take it out on anything but a flat calm day.
All i can say is i don't think 2 or 3 layers of some biaxe on each side of some 3/4 foam core stands a chance of holding up against tons of water being driven into with a 100 thousand pounds of boat behind it.
Man that thing is paper thin and also lacked any real structural backing such as some interior framework or real bulheads.
If i owned a newer Bertram right now i would be afraid to take it out on anything but a flat calm day.
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WOW Just finished watching the video of the sunk Bertram.
All i can say is i don't think 2 or 3 layers of some biaxe on each side of some 3/4 foam core stands a chance of holding up against tons of water being driven into with a 100 thousand pounds of boat behind it.
Man that thing is paper thin and also lacked any real structural backing such as some interior framework or real bulheads.
If i owned a newer Bertram right now i would be afraid to take it out on anything but a flat calm day.
All i can say is i don't think 2 or 3 layers of some biaxe on each side of some 3/4 foam core stands a chance of holding up against tons of water being driven into with a 100 thousand pounds of boat behind it.
Man that thing is paper thin and also lacked any real structural backing such as some interior framework or real bulheads.
If i owned a newer Bertram right now i would be afraid to take it out on anything but a flat calm day.
Tommy you'd be surprised at how (dimensionally) thin most core skin laminates on performance boats are after bagging. I have an epoxy/baltek boat in my shot that has a paper thin outer skin on it but its strong as he!! because it was so well done. Working on these boats can be a challenge as just a touch with a grinder and you are at core already. Then again this schedule was made for a 6.5K pound boat and would not be a good layup for a big sportfish like this 630.
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Is the video avaliable on line somewhere? I hadnt seen a link to it.
Tommy you'd be surprised at how (dimensionally) thin most core skin laminates on performance boats are after bagging. I have an epoxy/baltek boat in my shot that has a paper thin outer skin on it but its strong as he!! because it was so well done. Working on these boats can be a challenge as just a touch with a grinder and you are at core already. Then again this schedule was made for a 6.5K pound boat and would not be a good layup for a big sportfish like this 630.
Tommy you'd be surprised at how (dimensionally) thin most core skin laminates on performance boats are after bagging. I have an epoxy/baltek boat in my shot that has a paper thin outer skin on it but its strong as he!! because it was so well done. Working on these boats can be a challenge as just a touch with a grinder and you are at core already. Then again this schedule was made for a 6.5K pound boat and would not be a good layup for a big sportfish like this 630.
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Is the video avaliable on line somewhere? I hadnt seen a link to it.
Tommy you'd be surprised at how (dimensionally) thin most core skin laminates on performance boats are after bagging. I have an epoxy/baltek boat in my shot that has a paper thin outer skin on it but its strong as he!! because it was so well done. Working on these boats can be a challenge as just a touch with a grinder and you are at core already. Then again this schedule was made for a 6.5K pound boat and would not be a good layup for a big sportfish like this 630.
Tommy you'd be surprised at how (dimensionally) thin most core skin laminates on performance boats are after bagging. I have an epoxy/baltek boat in my shot that has a paper thin outer skin on it but its strong as he!! because it was so well done. Working on these boats can be a challenge as just a touch with a grinder and you are at core already. Then again this schedule was made for a 6.5K pound boat and would not be a good layup for a big sportfish like this 630.
Dave i understand how a thin skin can survive on a light boat as the reflective forcefrom the water is in correlation with how heavy the boat is.Also there is molded in structural shapes and lines that reinforce these light areas.
A big broad concave area like the front of the Bertram needs a lot more than they were putting into it. Take a look back at Pauls site and see the bows are fully double framed than 1 inch planked than 1/4 inch ply and a layer of 1808 over that all built in a convex shape. Now compare that with some flimsy 3/4 inch foam with a 2 or 3 layers of biaxe on each side with no interior bracing with a convex shape to boot.
Dave you have to sign up on Yacht Forums to view it they just released the video today.
Last edited by tommymonza; 01-18-2010 at 01:09 PM.
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The Talon is 100% foam, hull sides(3/4") and running surface(2"), bagged with vinylester. I also have a couple Skaters at the moment and they are bagged epoxy/Baltek boats.
The Talon was pretty thin as well. I had to fix a pretty good hole in it from the 08 Key West Worlds.
The Talon was pretty thin as well. I had to fix a pretty good hole in it from the 08 Key West Worlds.
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Dave i understand how a thin skin can survive on a light boat as the reflective forcefrom the water is in correlation with how heavy the boat is.Also there is molded in structural shapes and lines that reinforce these light areas.
A big broad concave area like the front of the Bertram needs a lot more than they were putting into it. Take a look back at Pauls site and see the bows are fully double framed than 1 inch planked than 1/4 inch ply and a layer of 1808 over that all built in a convex shape. Now compare that with some flimsy 3/4 inch foam with a 2 or 3 layers of biaxe on each side with no interior bracing with a convex shape to boot.
Dave you have to sign up on Yacht Forums to view it they just relaesed the video today.
A big broad concave area like the front of the Bertram needs a lot more than they were putting into it. Take a look back at Pauls site and see the bows are fully double framed than 1 inch planked than 1/4 inch ply and a layer of 1808 over that all built in a convex shape. Now compare that with some flimsy 3/4 inch foam with a 2 or 3 layers of biaxe on each side with no interior bracing with a convex shape to boot.
Dave you have to sign up on Yacht Forums to view it they just relaesed the video today.

Thanks I will go check out YF. I'm on there as Gordon Freeman

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