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Old 05-11-2010, 05:19 PM
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phuck...i'm moving back to Destin on May 6th.....I hope they do something before it hits tos white beaches
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Everett, did you know Salazar was Democrat? I am not going to engage in a political debate, this is not the thread (IMO). Just curious if you knew of Salazar. He has been rather "pesky" regarding any energy exploration in our neck of the woods. And he is from Colorado.

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I know he's a Dem, but he's been cozy with oil gas and timber companies for years. Read what Jim O'Donnell of the New Mexico Independent has to say about him;

Nine reasons not to trust Ken Salazar
By Jim O'Donnell 12/29/08 1:42 PM Digg Tweet

I am deeply troubled by many of the president-elect’s choices for his Cabinet. We’ve got an anti-family-farm, pro-Monsanto guy going to Agriculture, an inexperienced Republican hack going to Transportation and now Colorado Sen. Ken Salazar to Interior. These are not the changes we need.

The secretary of the Interior, as the head of the National Park Service, the Bureau of Land Management, the Mineral Management Services, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and enforcer of the Endangered Species Act, is the most important federal position tasked with the protection of America’s terrestrial and aquatic ecosystems. This is not a trifle. In my opinion, Sen. Ken Salazar is not a great choice for that position. Here is why:

1. Mr. Salazar has done little to halt oil and gas drilling on Colorado’s Roan Plateau. Yes, he has protested. Yes, he has “discouraged” the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) from opening the area to drilling. But this falls far short of what is needed. Salazar has failed to introduce or support federal legislation to protect this area from destruction and protect the local people from the toxic effects of the drilling. This is a crying shame. The Roan is one of the most incredible places in my home state. That it will be industrialized is nothing short of a calamity.

2. Mr. Salazar strongly supported former Interior Secretary Gale Norton when George W. Bush nominated her to the post. Norton, a former lobbyist for the lead-paint industry, is the source of all the problems Interior faces today. Those problems include Interior employees having sex with oil company executives in exchange for oil and gas leases. And worse. This was a decidedly poor judgment call on Salazar’s part (he also strongly supported Alberto Gonzales for Attorney General, as Time magazine recently recalled, “even escorting Gonzales into the U.S. Senate on the first day of his nomination hearings.”)

3. Mr. Salazar has consistently supported the interests of the oil and gas industry above the need for conservation and alternative energy sources. He maintains very strong industry ties. He voted (like Obama) for the appalling 2005 energy bill. He voted to end the offshore drilling moratorium; he voted against the repeal of tax breaks for Exxon-Mobil and voted against increasing Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards.

4. Mr. Salazar has consistently supported corporate welfare for the ranching community to the detriment of the environment. He has, again and again, pushed rancher subsidies. He has fought endangered species protection. As Colorado attorney general, he threatened to sue the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service for even thinking about listing the black-tailed prairie dog as endangered.

5. Mr. Salazar voted against a very popular bill that would have forced the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to consider climate change impacts when planning water projects.

6. Mr. Salazar got the American taxpayer stuck with the bill for cleaning up the Summitville Mine Superfund site.

7. Mr. Salazar supported the bill to allow guns in national parks. Ugh.

8. Native Americans have never been too impressed with Mr. Salazar. Interior has a big impact on Native American populations, and they will need a strong advocate in charge at Interior.

9. Finally, Salazar pushed for the elevation of William Myers III to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. Myers, a long-time lobbyist for the ranching industry, is widely considered to be one of the most anti-environmental judges around. This is a guy who argued to allow a company to mine cat litter on ground considered sacred by Native Americans. This was a guy with Abramoff connections. This is a guy who sees the Clean Water Act as some sort of fascist pronouncement.

To be fair, Obama could have chosen worse. Salazar has a decent score with the League of Conservation Voters. He has voted for wilderness bills, and he has supported tax breaks that encourage conservation on private lands. While we already see agribusiness and mining groups praising the choice, at least the Republicans won’t be able to call him an environmental extremist. That must be worth something.

What concerns me is Mr. Salazar’s judgment. We know how things work in D.C. We know that the oil and gas industry will have unfettered access to the secretary of the Interior while citizen groups will have to go through the low-level staffers to get their message heard. Will someone who supported Alberto Gonzales and Gale Norton have the ability to make wise decisions when it comes to protecting water, air, wildlife and public lands?

Mr. Salazar is not a visionary. He is not a change agent. Mr. Salazar has a very interesting and compelling story as a fellow Westerner. However, from my viewpoint, he has little interest in protecting biodiversity and even less interest in a fossil fuel-free economy. This is not the change we need.

The best we can hope for now is that Mr. Salazar will prove us wrong.

Please Mr. Salazar, prove me wrong.

Jim O’Donnell is a fourth-generation Coloradoan from Pueblo. He is a former oil and gas industry employee and was a leader in the fight to protect New Mexico’s Valle Vidal. He lives near Taos, N.M., where he is a principal in the firm Collaborative Green.
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phuck...i'm moving back to Destin on May 6th.....I hope they do something before it hits those white beaches
I'm afraid the Emerald Coast beaches will be destroyed. We were going to retire to Destin but that looks to be out of the question now. I went to three Offshore races there and fell in love with the area. It's just so sad.
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I know he's a Dem, but he's been cozy with oil gas and timber companies for years. Read what Jim O'Donnell of the New Mexico Independent has to say about him;


Jim O’Donnell is a fourth-generation Coloradoan from Pueblo. He is a former oil and gas industry employee and was a leader in the fight to protect New Mexico’s Valle Vidal. He lives near Taos, N.M., where he is a principal in the firm Collaborative Green.
Oh my. Jim O'Donnell I will not even touch this cut and paste. Everett, as liberal as you are, you don't even begin to compare to this person. Taos is a hot bed for his type.

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Oh my. Jim O'Donnell I will not even touch this cut and paste. Everett, as liberal as you are, you don't even begin to compare to this person. Taos is a hot bed for his type.

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Well I did a search on Salazar and found that piece. I never heard of O'Donnell before so I don't know his politics.

Is he kin to Rosie?

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Well I did a search on Salazar and found that piece. I never heard of O'Donnell before so I don't know his politics.
No matter what our political views might be, I hope and Pray this disaster is put to rest soon. Hopefully the powers that be can put their differences aside, ie quit blaming the "other" guy, and corroborate a speedy solution.

Rosie. That's a good one. Although they definitely could be related.

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Proves once again, people have to pay attention to what's going on. Phuck the politicians and the parties, they only pay attention to their re-election campaigns and their wallets. Neither party is to be entrusted on anything more important than shutting the lights out in Congress.
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Well I just registered for a Level 3 Hazmat class BP is picking up the tab in Sarasota for Thursday. It is to rescue any wildlife that may be in the oil for my area. I will give you guys an update when its done to see how good it really is.
I hope you don't have to use it for this spill...
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Just read this whole thread and now my brain hurts... Anybody in AL, LA, MS seen any oil in their water that is affecting the boating? I'm in Navarre / Destin and no signs yet. I herd it hasn't hit orange beach yet either... I really hope it stays away from here but I think it's just a matter of time. it's a bummer, hopefully someone will step up and take care of this mess.
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