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Old 05-14-2010, 10:57 AM
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So what's the deal with Nalco? Can they help contain the oil? Has BP contacted them or vice versa?

No, exact opposite actually. Nalco's venture in this is dispersing the oil by using a dispersant loaded with solvents, thereby causing the oil to "sink" and then degrade naturally..

as of THIS MOMENT, the only consultant allowed to offer plans to BP is Nalco. And all they are doing is supplying BP with the solvents and dispersants. They arent set up for collecting the oil or helping out in any way other than supplying the workers with the chemicals.

BUT, Nalco is owned and funded by exxon and has executives that work for both Nalco and BP, imagine that.. Even though the EPAis telling them to use less toxic dispersants (and have made viable suggestions as to the products available), BP refuses to buy from any company other than the ones they have financial interests in.. They have to make up some of their losses somehow!
Plus theyve already got cash over 410million dollars from the insurance on the loss of the horizon, yet have spent hardly ANY money on the remediation.

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BP officials say they have decided to first try sucking oil away from the gushing Gulf well with a tube that will be inserted into the jagged pipe leaking on the seafloor.

Company spokesman Bill Salvin said BP hopes to start moving the 6-inch tube into the leaking 21-inch pipe - known as the riser - on Thursday night. The smaller tube will be surrounded by a stopper to keep oil from leaking into the sea.

The tube will then siphon the oil to a tanker at the surface.

Salvin says engineers have to first move the smaller tube past seawater that has gotten into the riser. The seawater could mix with methane to form crystals that could clog the pipe.

BP says the next option is a small containment box called a "top hat," which is already on the seafloor.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/05/12...#ixzz0nqfoOr00
Now, let me ask you this. If the pipe became clogged with polymer crystals and prevented the flow of oil to the ocean, what would be the harm in this? Oh, thats right, duh, then they couldnt profit from the dispersants sales to make up for the losses they get from dumping oil in the ocean.. gee

And those crystals absolutely WOULD clog the pipe. We use that SAME EXACT METHOD for sealing wells in OK and TX. Saltwater, Drilling Mud and Polymer. It make a substance that resembles crystal rock candy..It would at least pinch down the flow enough to cap it..
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Here, read this and tell me you dont think theyre keepin their execs fat and happy by only using nalco products..

http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2010/05...pil-81183.html

THAT should get the hair on the back of your neck standing up.....
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Wow! and nobody is doing anything about it.
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They have done this before? Where?
I will try to find the article and post later.
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Bombs work for blowing out well head fires but not not underwater leaks, right? How would it seal it off?? Unless it somehow kinked the head or something. And its a cement lined casing.. Not sure how all that would work, but Im not a bomb technician, lol
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small nuke set off 5,000 feet down...I would guess that for it to be significant enough to shatter rock down several thousand feet to pinch off the oil/gas flow it would vaporize the water column above it in about a 200 yard wide tunnel to the surface. then with the rush of water back into the hole can you say...Surf's Up in the gulf with 30 ft waves? Let me get inland 10 miles first, please. The Operations Crossroads Baker was set off about 95 ft below a ship in a lagoon. You can easily see the crater from Google earth (about 15 Mt blast). The video is the one where you see the ship ride up the water plume and the ship looks tiny on the side of the plume.

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Just watched President Obama's speech about this. Man, it feels good to hear him call out BP, Halliburton and TransOcean for the 'ridiculous spectacle' they put on the other day.

If any good comes of this, it will be some renewed energy focused on environmental regulations in general and oil drilling, offshore and otherwise, in particular.
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Soviet Union advising us to use Nukes sounds about like a guy at prom prodding his date to ignore the fizzy pill in the bottom of her punch glass...

Im very skeptical as to the use of nukes to "pinch off" the well head.. Ill have to do some research but I believe the oil cavity is very VERY shallow to the ocean floor. Caving in the ceiling of the cavity doesnt sound like the worlds best plan by ANY MEANS..

Take from Christian Science Monitor...

And just because some russian type editor said we should, shouldnt even get half a nod.. lol


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Weapons labs in the former Soviet Union developed special nukes for use to help pinch off the gas wells. They believed that the force from a nuclear explosion could squeeze shut any hole within 82 to 164 feet (25 to 50 meters), depending on the explosion's power. That required drilling holes to place the nuclear device close to the target wells.

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A first test in the fall of 1966 proved successful in sealing up an underground gas well in southern Uzbekistan, and so the Russians used nukes four more times for capping runaway wells.

"The second 'success' gave Soviet scientists great confidence in the use of this new technique for rapidly and effectively controlling ran away gas and oil wells," according to a U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) report on the Soviet Union's peaceful uses of nuclear explosions.

A last attempt took place in 1981, but failed perhaps because of poor positioning, according to a U.S. Department of Energy report.

Komsomoloskaya Pravda suggested that the United States might as well take a chance with a nuke, based on the historical 20-percent failure rate. Still, the Soviet experience with nuking underground gas wells could prove easier in retrospect than trying to seal the Gulf of Mexico’s oil well disaster that's taking place 5,000 feet below the surface.

The Russians were using nukes to extinguish gas well fires in natural gas fields, not sealing oil wells gushing liquid, so there are big differences, and this method has never been tested in such conditions.

Besides the possibility of failure, there are always risks when dealing with radiation, though material from the DOE report suggests these are minimal since the radiation would be far underground.
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4"-6" Deep of straw across 4000 sq miles?

"Boys, fire up the John Deere"

The straw needs to be used along the shoreline booms to absorb anything that splashes over the booms.. But how do you "collect" 56million tons of oil soaked straw and "incinerate" it.. I wouldnt wanna be around for THAT bonfire
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