Oil spill in the gulf of Mexico
#581
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Obama is getting pounded from the right just like Bush got it from the left. He is now also getting it from the left.
If Bush was in office you would have had the fringe element also claiming he set he explosionn off to raise oil prices. George Sorros is heavily invested in Brazilian oil so maybe he st off the bomb LOL
Obama appears to be reactionary whatever the public is clamoring for he will give them. What the public is clamoring for is a path to fix this
If they would have televised a room full of the brightest minds around brainstormin solutions rather then the photo ops yesterday his numbers would shoot up.
I think this is being done now but from a public perspective it appears we are all reaching for lawyers and blame game rather then attacking the problem.
Give us a meeting and open with saying the Jones act is lifted we will accept any help we can get and we will not leave this room without 5 solutions on what to do. With the hope one will work
I am glad we have a 20 billion dollar fund for clean up but I just think we got snookered on how it was set up we force BP into keeping 10 billion in divedends so they can give us 5 billion How does that make it look like we took a hard line?
I believe they will pay for everything more then I believe the gulf will be cleaner then before the spill. So I guess what will happen is were all screwed.
I wonder if I can file with BP for my condo value derease in the Keys?
If Bush was in office you would have had the fringe element also claiming he set he explosionn off to raise oil prices. George Sorros is heavily invested in Brazilian oil so maybe he st off the bomb LOL
Obama appears to be reactionary whatever the public is clamoring for he will give them. What the public is clamoring for is a path to fix this
If they would have televised a room full of the brightest minds around brainstormin solutions rather then the photo ops yesterday his numbers would shoot up.
I think this is being done now but from a public perspective it appears we are all reaching for lawyers and blame game rather then attacking the problem.
Give us a meeting and open with saying the Jones act is lifted we will accept any help we can get and we will not leave this room without 5 solutions on what to do. With the hope one will work
I am glad we have a 20 billion dollar fund for clean up but I just think we got snookered on how it was set up we force BP into keeping 10 billion in divedends so they can give us 5 billion How does that make it look like we took a hard line?
I believe they will pay for everything more then I believe the gulf will be cleaner then before the spill. So I guess what will happen is were all screwed.
I wonder if I can file with BP for my condo value derease in the Keys?
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I was watching the news the other night and a company rep of some new type of skimmers said the Jones act was lifted for them and the ships were headed for the gulf.[/QUOTE]
If thats true...It only took 2 months....WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was watching the news the other night and a company rep of some new type of skimmers said the Jones act was lifted for them and the ships were headed for the gulf.[/QUOTE]
If thats true...It only took 2 months....WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It is my understanding that they put it back into place a recently....
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That is great but the thing should have been lifted the first time some other country offered to help out! We may be the "super power of the world" but in this case there seem to be other countries that have better technology then we do. Take advantage of all of it.
It is my understanding that they put it back into place a recently....
It is my understanding that they put it back into place a recently....
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would like to see if it was actually lifted all searches come up with nothing
This is huge internet fodder so I would have thought if it has been lifted there would have been word from thh white house on it.
This is huge internet fodder so I would have thought if it has been lifted there would have been word from thh white house on it.
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I think that's ehy it's important to go back to April 20th, and work forward. BP did their best to convince the government, and NOAA, that the spill was minor. The 5,000 bbl figure was in place for some time, until many questioned it repeatedly. NOAA had access to sat photos of the surface. BP was diligent in using massive amounts of dispersants to keep the oil under the surface.
In these very threads, some were chastised for repeatedly saying the amounts of oil were dramatically understated, as was heard by political bashers. "Let BP clean it up then worry", they supportably stated
Had anyone known in April/May that the amounts were so much higher, I think better and more planning would have been done. Without knowing much about the business, I gather that the small amounts being stated would not be enough to stomp on BP and demand skimmers from around the world. My GUESS, is that BP deliberately understated the amounts, and did so to avoid heavier fines, increased scrutiny, and a total lack of control over what they were doing. Perhaps they will fond correspondence in their investigations regarding this.
If the original figure was 25,000 barrels per day or higher, I think everyone would have been better prepared much earlier. So I think the current level of outrage should be more directed towards BP, is all I'm saying.
Remember these?
The media is blowing this all out of proportion
Oil seepage occurs naturally everyday, and does no harm
Natural little creatures will eat up the oil in short term
Keep the government out of this and let the pros do their jobs
This is a small spill compared to ...............
We had a similar problem here in Vermont with underground leaking at a nuclear plant. The leaks were coming from pipes that the state was told do not exist. Of course this is the same company that wanted to spinoff the plant for cleanup to a new entity, one that would quickly go bankrupt, leaving the states with a huge decommissioning bill. Trust comes hard lately.
In these very threads, some were chastised for repeatedly saying the amounts of oil were dramatically understated, as was heard by political bashers. "Let BP clean it up then worry", they supportably stated
Had anyone known in April/May that the amounts were so much higher, I think better and more planning would have been done. Without knowing much about the business, I gather that the small amounts being stated would not be enough to stomp on BP and demand skimmers from around the world. My GUESS, is that BP deliberately understated the amounts, and did so to avoid heavier fines, increased scrutiny, and a total lack of control over what they were doing. Perhaps they will fond correspondence in their investigations regarding this.
If the original figure was 25,000 barrels per day or higher, I think everyone would have been better prepared much earlier. So I think the current level of outrage should be more directed towards BP, is all I'm saying.
Remember these?
The media is blowing this all out of proportion
Oil seepage occurs naturally everyday, and does no harm
Natural little creatures will eat up the oil in short term
Keep the government out of this and let the pros do their jobs
This is a small spill compared to ...............
We had a similar problem here in Vermont with underground leaking at a nuclear plant. The leaks were coming from pipes that the state was told do not exist. Of course this is the same company that wanted to spinoff the plant for cleanup to a new entity, one that would quickly go bankrupt, leaving the states with a huge decommissioning bill. Trust comes hard lately.
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Seems anymore that there are few trust worthy sources for REAL information, it's pretty sad really. Do you believe a web site that is hard to check or the programs that want ratings.
I don't trust anything anymore. Pulled the post, F*** it.
#589
Lets asume they lifted or lift the Jones Act today. It still takes weeks to get the skimmer ships here, plus the crew to man them.
Had the Jones Act been lifted days after the explosion the proper ships could have focused around the spill. Now its so bad they have to clean the whole Gulf.
Rather it be 5k gallons a day or 500K gallons a day the goverment sat on their hands instead of making a decison on a timley manner. That is the difference between a businessman and a politian.
Had the Jones Act been lifted days after the explosion the proper ships could have focused around the spill. Now its so bad they have to clean the whole Gulf.
Rather it be 5k gallons a day or 500K gallons a day the goverment sat on their hands instead of making a decison on a timley manner. That is the difference between a businessman and a politian.
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I think that's ehy it's important to go back to April 20th, and work forward. BP did their best to convince the government, and NOAA, that the spill was minor. The 5,000 bbl figure was in place for some time, until many questioned it repeatedly. NOAA had access to sat photos of the surface. BP was diligent in using massive amounts of dispersants to keep the oil under the surface.
In these very threads, some were chastised for repeatedly saying the amounts of oil were dramatically understated, as was heard by political bashers. "Let BP clean it up then worry", they supportably stated
Had anyone known in April/May that the amounts were so much higher, I think better and more planning would have been done. Without knowing much about the business, I gather that the small amounts being stated would not be enough to stomp on BP and demand skimmers from around the world. My GUESS, is that BP deliberately understated the amounts, and did so to avoid heavier fines, increased scrutiny, and a total lack of control over what they were doing. Perhaps they will fond correspondence in their investigations regarding this.
If the original figure was 25,000 barrels per day or higher, I think everyone would have been better prepared much earlier. So I think the current level of outrage should be more directed towards BP, is all I'm saying.
Remember these?
The media is blowing this all out of proportion
Oil seepage occurs naturally everyday, and does no harm
Natural little creatures will eat up the oil in short term
Keep the government out of this and let the pros do their jobs
This is a small spill compared to ...............
We had a similar problem here in Vermont with underground leaking at a nuclear plant. The leaks were coming from pipes that the state was told do not exist. Of course this is the same company that wanted to spinoff the plant for cleanup to a new entity, one that would quickly go bankrupt, leaving the states with a huge decommissioning bill. Trust comes hard lately.
In these very threads, some were chastised for repeatedly saying the amounts of oil were dramatically understated, as was heard by political bashers. "Let BP clean it up then worry", they supportably stated
Had anyone known in April/May that the amounts were so much higher, I think better and more planning would have been done. Without knowing much about the business, I gather that the small amounts being stated would not be enough to stomp on BP and demand skimmers from around the world. My GUESS, is that BP deliberately understated the amounts, and did so to avoid heavier fines, increased scrutiny, and a total lack of control over what they were doing. Perhaps they will fond correspondence in their investigations regarding this.
If the original figure was 25,000 barrels per day or higher, I think everyone would have been better prepared much earlier. So I think the current level of outrage should be more directed towards BP, is all I'm saying.
Remember these?
The media is blowing this all out of proportion
Oil seepage occurs naturally everyday, and does no harm
Natural little creatures will eat up the oil in short term
Keep the government out of this and let the pros do their jobs
This is a small spill compared to ...............
We had a similar problem here in Vermont with underground leaking at a nuclear plant. The leaks were coming from pipes that the state was told do not exist. Of course this is the same company that wanted to spinoff the plant for cleanup to a new entity, one that would quickly go bankrupt, leaving the states with a huge decommissioning bill. Trust comes hard lately.
But the president of the United States has the means and the authority and IMO the responsibility to find out exactly how many barrels of oil were leaking into the Gulf - and then make plans accordingly. The fact that this president choose to not even meet or speak with BP until two months into this explains how he and the American people were kept in the dark by BP for so long, and IMO is inexcusable. The guy has sucked balls IMO in responding to this disaster because he didn't even know there was a disaster.


