Oil spill in the gulf of Mexico
06-18-2010 | 11:02 AM
#591
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The new Jones Act thing was a co-ordinated message three days ago. Some muttered about it awhile back. But the real drive was this.
http://mikk2.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/hayley-spills/
It seems the message changes everyday. If skimmers had been on standby, on site, the entire month of May, there would be jokes and theatrics about that.
http://mikk2.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/hayley-spills/
It seems the message changes everyday. If skimmers had been on standby, on site, the entire month of May, there would be jokes and theatrics about that.
06-18-2010 | 11:09 AM
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I want to start by saying this is not an attack on the Democrats.... JAY....
This is me being pizzed off at the media.
WTF!!! Last time I checked, the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico was a huge ecological disaster not a "political problem" for the White House! Stopping the leak will be "Improving political environment for the Democrats"!!!!!! Priorities are a little screwed up huh!
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...flection-point
This is me being pizzed off at the media.
WTF!!! Last time I checked, the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico was a huge ecological disaster not a "political problem" for the White House! Stopping the leak will be "Improving political environment for the Democrats"!!!!!! Priorities are a little screwed up huh!
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...flection-point
06-18-2010 | 11:36 AM
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Relief Well Status
They don't advertise this but as of 6-13-2010 the relief well is at 13,973 ft of a planned 18,000 ft. They did say they are ahead of schedule and this is a bit of good news. This is the only guaranteed way to stop the flow of oil. I sure hope it continues at this rate and they can start pumping the concrete soon!
That is, if they are not lying about the depth. One major problem is being able to hit the existing bore exactly, I am amazed that this would even be possible.
That is, if they are not lying about the depth. One major problem is being able to hit the existing bore exactly, I am amazed that this would even be possible.
06-18-2010 | 11:53 AM
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the goverment sat on their hands instead of making a decison on a timley manner. That is the difference between a businessman and a politian. tomtbone
How soon we forget that BP lulled the government to sleep with their spillage estimates. They said they could deal with 1000gal/day. Why would Obama not believe them?
BTW since America doesn't build those skimmer ships any more(if we ever did), the Jones Act needs to be repealed.
How soon we forget that BP lulled the government to sleep with their spillage estimates. They said they could deal with 1000gal/day. Why would Obama not believe them?
BTW since America doesn't build those skimmer ships any more(if we ever did), the Jones Act needs to be repealed.
06-18-2010 | 12:03 PM
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the goverment sat on their hands instead of making a decison on a timley manner. That is the difference between a businessman and a politian. tomtbone
How soon we forget that BP lulled the government to sleep with their spillage estimates. They said they could deal with 1000gal/day. Why would Obama not believe them?
BTW since America doesn't build those skimmer ships any more(if we ever did), the Jones Act needs to be repealed.
How soon we forget that BP lulled the government to sleep with their spillage estimates. They said they could deal with 1000gal/day. Why would Obama not believe them?
BTW since America doesn't build those skimmer ships any more(if we ever did), the Jones Act needs to be repealed.
06-18-2010 | 12:07 PM
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All would have been better served if the estimates of oil gushing into the Gulf were better earlier on. It wasn't until BP released the video that other experts began to estimate on their own.
As of last week, the operations were being recrafted into one of far more skimming. The logistics involved are being worked on, as they need to build mooring sites to allow for more tankers safely into the area. Foreign ships are already working in the area, and aside from news reports and requests like the one above, there had been no such official outcry before. I think if the dispersants hadn't been used in such a quantity, this would have been a skimming operation a month ago. They've just recently had a fire aboard ship on one of them. Nice of Jeff Miller to chime in a week after most of this was going down.
If BP had been solely in charge of this operation with no oversight or prodding, we'd still be hearing how this spill is small compared to others, and how letting the experts deal with it is best.
So as of last Friday, there were ".. Allen said, 25,000 people are working on the gusher in the Gulf using 400 skimming vessels, 500 barges, 2,500 government and contract vessels and 66 aircraft. I think the number you stated was 32 skimmers. A slight difference. The foreign skimmers already working in the Gulf are from Norway and Mexico.
Here's a story from direct sources from May 27th. It lacks the hysterics that some are fond of, but does state the events well.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...ssistance.html
As of last week, the operations were being recrafted into one of far more skimming. The logistics involved are being worked on, as they need to build mooring sites to allow for more tankers safely into the area. Foreign ships are already working in the area, and aside from news reports and requests like the one above, there had been no such official outcry before. I think if the dispersants hadn't been used in such a quantity, this would have been a skimming operation a month ago. They've just recently had a fire aboard ship on one of them. Nice of Jeff Miller to chime in a week after most of this was going down.
If BP had been solely in charge of this operation with no oversight or prodding, we'd still be hearing how this spill is small compared to others, and how letting the experts deal with it is best.
So as of last Friday, there were ".. Allen said, 25,000 people are working on the gusher in the Gulf using 400 skimming vessels, 500 barges, 2,500 government and contract vessels and 66 aircraft. I think the number you stated was 32 skimmers. A slight difference. The foreign skimmers already working in the Gulf are from Norway and Mexico.
Here's a story from direct sources from May 27th. It lacks the hysterics that some are fond of, but does state the events well.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...ssistance.html
That didn't happen. To make matters worse, BP broadcast images and experts speculated as to how much oil was spilling in the Gulf. Still the govt. did nothing.
You can blame BP all you want for the spill. I blame the HELL out of BP for the spill, but the Fed. Govt. botched the cleanup effort hard core. I don't care if BP said "hey, we got this" when you can SEE a chit-ton of oil all over the place, creeping onto the beaches you're already too late, but we STILL did nothing as tar balls and gunk began cluttering our beaches.
Governors, mayors and other public officials begged and pleaded for help and got nothing. Our govt. effed up, BIG TIME!
06-18-2010 | 08:09 PM
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They don't advertise this but as of 6-13-2010 the relief well is at 13,973 ft of a planned 18,000 ft. They did say they are ahead of schedule and this is a bit of good news. This is the only guaranteed way to stop the flow of oil. I sure hope it continues at this rate and they can start pumping the concrete soon!
That is, if they are not lying about the depth. One major problem is being able to hit the existing bore exactly, I am amazed that this would even be possible.
That is, if they are not lying about the depth. One major problem is being able to hit the existing bore exactly, I am amazed that this would even be possible.
That's your corporate backup BS right there.
They've been ahead on that one relief almost right from the start
If they hit it, and hit it "early" (compared to thier own projection) they'll be heroes, or certianly in the PR sense get back some of what's been lost (and stock value)
06-18-2010 | 09:08 PM
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Just found this website
This thread is dated from the first minutes after the explosion;
http://gcaptain.com/forum/offshore/4...-rig-fire.html
http://gcaptain.com/forum/offshore/4...-rig-fire.html
06-19-2010 | 07:59 AM
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the goverment sat on their hands instead of making a decison on a timley manner. That is the difference between a businessman and a politian. tomtbone
How soon we forget that BP lulled the government to sleep with their spillage estimates. They said they could deal with 1000gal/day. Why would Obama not believe them?
BTW since America doesn't build those skimmer ships any more(if we ever did), the Jones Act needs to be repealed.
How soon we forget that BP lulled the government to sleep with their spillage estimates. They said they could deal with 1000gal/day. Why would Obama not believe them?
BTW since America doesn't build those skimmer ships any more(if we ever did), the Jones Act needs to be repealed.
Anybody in the piping industry that was even mildly interested knew within days that BP was liying. And Washinton didnt ?
Maybe The President needs some new advisors !
Hate cheney and Bush all you want but, They would have known & having run bussineses they would have known how to react
06-20-2010 | 01:37 PM
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Interesting BP internal document
http://www.businessinsider.com/inter...lusterStock%29
"Today Representative Ed Markey (D-Mass.) released an internal BP document showing that the company's own analysis believed that a worst-case scenario, based on damage to the well bore, could result in 100,000 barrels of oil per day.
In the document, BP stated: If BOP and wellhead are removed and if we have incorrectly modeled the restrictions – the rate could be as high as ~ 100,000 barrels per day up the casing or 55,000 barrels per day up the annulus (low probability worst cases)
To read the document, CLICK HERE.
This number is in sharp contrast to BP’s initial claim that the leak was just 1,000 barrels a day. At the time this document was made available to Congress, BP claimed the leak was 5,000 barrels a day, and told Members of the House Energy and Commerce Committee that the worst case scenario was be 60,000 barrels a day. This document tells a different story.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/internal-bp-document-says-spill-could-reach-100000-barrels-per-day-2010-6?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campai gn=Feed%3A+clusterstock+%28ClusterStock%29#ixzz0rQ 5u2nRr"
http://www.businessinsider.com/inter...lusterStock%29
"Today Representative Ed Markey (D-Mass.) released an internal BP document showing that the company's own analysis believed that a worst-case scenario, based on damage to the well bore, could result in 100,000 barrels of oil per day.
In the document, BP stated: If BOP and wellhead are removed and if we have incorrectly modeled the restrictions – the rate could be as high as ~ 100,000 barrels per day up the casing or 55,000 barrels per day up the annulus (low probability worst cases)
To read the document, CLICK HERE.
This number is in sharp contrast to BP’s initial claim that the leak was just 1,000 barrels a day. At the time this document was made available to Congress, BP claimed the leak was 5,000 barrels a day, and told Members of the House Energy and Commerce Committee that the worst case scenario was be 60,000 barrels a day. This document tells a different story.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/internal-bp-document-says-spill-could-reach-100000-barrels-per-day-2010-6?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campai gn=Feed%3A+clusterstock+%28ClusterStock%29#ixzz0rQ 5u2nRr"
