325k for a 30' was just too much ..the OL will be considerably less, if I remeber reading under 200k.

Correct. Thats what Fred told me.

yea Skip, you need to listen, why not the 20 or the 30?

cdowns, most of thr new Cigs look like a re-newed Macdonalds all over them, maybe you need your eyes checked.

Consider this:

Here is a proven winner (hull), that Will Smith hopes to have run near 100mph with twin 300XS outboards (hopefully), for just over 100K, on the trailer, dialed in.

2011 30' Phantom outboard version;

or go the IO route pictured below.

Interesting addition- Sutphen hulls are certainly proven, but this particular inboard example does not show us what the interior is like, plus it looks like its setup for lake vs. ocean running with a 6 blade prop.

My identical maybe better drive teague platinum held up 52 hours of ocean running behind an ilmor 710 before getting nasty looking magnet shavings- a 6 blade prop would likely shred the drive way earlier than that.

There doesnt seem to be a way for one to get off - on the boat from the water.
It has no swimstep or molding in the transom.

Swimming is a big part of what we do on the hot dessert lakes here in the West and boats with no provision to get in or out of the water are a pain, and boats with protruding "stuff" and non-closable cleats all over them guarantee someone gets cut or bruised getting in and out.

Im really interested in what each manufacturer can pack into a 28 or 30ft boat for say 150-200K- for the whole package.

What kind of interior amenities, nav systems, stereo, screens, engine package & drive do you get for about 150K 175K- who gives you the most?


Uncle Dave

:lolhit:Hi UD
hey for that much money SUTPHEN or SABER will build you one hell of a boat. sut 31 or 28saber. a friend has a 31 or 32 sutphen custom built with 900 hp doing mid 90s and will run with the 35s and 38s in 5 to 6 footers been there in the boat when the opa race in cape cod was canceled in about 05. we dropped in 10 miles away and drove 65 to 75 gps in 30 plus winds 5 plus seas three sutphens a 82 30 blown big blocks a 05 31 with 800hp and a 34 with big power. the CG called off the races cause of waves and wind:lolhit: the 02 race that Iwas in was a lot rougher there but CG rules. anyway there boats are big same with saber its a big hull. there not lake boats. for a 120,000 you should be well set up with a big single or twin small blocks full cabin. I have seen 2 of the 05 sutphens and both wetre near that price. going 85 and 90.

The new Hustler 29' Rockit seems pretty bad ass for $175k w a 525. 85+ mph and a true standup boat.

Got a link with real data? It sounds interesting.

175K sounds pretty heavy for a 525 boat.

85 - even 90 have been done on 28ft 525 boats but with what kind of amenities and interior?

was that 85 filled with gas and people? (doubt it)

I cant seem to find any real measurements - hustler says its got the biggest cockpit in its class, but whats the cockpit depth?

Whats molded in and what an interior piece added on?

Very curious.

How are you Art? Good to hear from you!

Uncle Dave

Wow. So Activator in L.I. is not making boats anymore?

A 29 Hustler? Curious...

Don't hijack threads, start your own.

The Outerlimits 28SV is going to be a sit-down boat
Fast for the power..with OL's proven hull efficiency
People have to learn a 28 foot boat is a 28 foot boat..
Will it have the styling that sets it part from the rest??? YES!
The first 28 was going to be our boat, then my son started talking with Mike one day and it went "uphill" from there!!
There is a backlog at OL today, for people wanting the OL product....what a great position to be in in these economic times...
P.S. there are some shots of the hull(running plug) on their facebook page...

I am very much looking forward to seeing OL's value proposition in this class/size of boat.

This is an extremely competitive market. There are some of us with the money to buy whatever we want and choose sub 30 feet boats for many other reasons than the cost of the boat itself.

I'm one of those clients & I'm looking forward to seeing your 28.

Congratulations on your order log- a very enviable position during these challenging times for boat manufacturers.



Uncle Dave

UD, just remember OL is doing this with a single engine...
my son is in college and works part time at OL...
I have been to many factories that build high performance boats..and over many many years...
I have had the luxury to spend a lot of time at the OL plant...
And after doing this "high performance" boat thing for many many years....
I am at the right "spot"..if it wasn't for the 40' we just bought...then the first 28SV would surely be ours....

The single engine 28 is the market I speak of.

The single engine 28's "high end buyer market" has a range from 125-200K (depending on engine and accoutrements) and perform at the mid to low 80's to a few hulls that touch the low 90's with minimal interiors - with a 525.

The trick is to see how fast, stable, and with what amenities for that price and how a full luxury package hits your speed number.

This is the sweet spot in size and maintenance for many many guys whose boats see double duty in lakes and the ocean on the west coast.

Bigger than a 30 and you'll have a hard time in rivers and smaller lakes, cant launch by yourself with a little wind, and much smaller you lose seaworthiness and feel in danger on a Catalina crossing in the afternoon.

Its a very competitive market in that size.

Uncle Dave

I'd love to see what you and OL could come up with together in a 28.....not that there's much to improve on from your Lavey!

I think OL needs to get some of these out West where there's a bigger market for high dollar "smaller" boats. On a small lake/river 28's big, but still capable of hitting the Ocean so it is a practical size for that area.

That's the plan!:D

Thanks for the compliment.

I've done a lots of riding in boats this size.

I had a house in Parker for a decade and live 10 minutes form the ramp at Marina Del Rey. I've spent a lot of time on the river, Lake Havasu and the ocean so Im a really lucky guy to have a very wide scope of experience.

There are only a handfull of builders out there that make a really special product and a very few that can really make something unique.

OL is one of the very few that can make something unique.

Uncle Dave

I would like to see a 28OL with the new Merc 1100 TT and the IMCO dual drive system.

Sorry did nt read the entire thread but have any 28's or 36 been made yet?

no..too busy building current product...that's a good thing..

you would need a large bilge area for the dual set up ,I would think ? or not. how about a konrad ace drive with a ol 800 na motor.carbed or efi. bullet proof and a 100 plus. art:coolcowboy:

They'd do whatever the customer wants. Period.

I know been there a few times:coolcowboy::coolcowboy:. got a ride in there 1st boat waaaaay back in 1995. I want a old 37 someday. if I hit the lotto I want a svx 40 or 40something with turbines or Dean Gellner 1100s since I own 1 now . and either surface drives or if konrad comes out with a higher rated drive. I hope the 28 sells up here. I saw the power they were going to use but not sure whats up now. since Dan got the 40.ps you and jon should come up this summer with the boats in aug for our pokerrun or a few days to boat together.

is Ernies boat still there? I haven't talked to him lately? Dan congrats again:coolcowboy::coolcowboy:

Thanks Artie. Ernies boat is not here anymore. We'll be at the Fall River run for sure.