Cosker On Mystic Delamination
08-10-2010 | 08:46 PM
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I agree Peter is a good guy and very professional and stands behind his boats. If I bought 2 boats that fell apart and delaminated i would be crazy. You can put 3000hp in anything and make it run. The stories you hear about boat building are crazy. It seems more then half the boats at Skater are customer's boats. The 46 Skater Tom Cat is heading back to Skater to get a single wide screen windshield. That will require extensive deck modification from Skater.
I also find a true test of a 40 Skater lay up with Jet Set a turbine 1994 Skater has over a 1000 hours easy on it and the arnesons and the hull are flawless yet a Mystic cant go a to a 100 hours before it is falling apart or the galss work is crushing on the trailer from its own weight.
Jet Set is a 200 mph boat.
I also find a true test of a 40 Skater lay up with Jet Set a turbine 1994 Skater has over a 1000 hours easy on it and the arnesons and the hull are flawless yet a Mystic cant go a to a 100 hours before it is falling apart or the galss work is crushing on the trailer from its own weight.
Jet Set is a 200 mph boat.
08-10-2010 | 09:28 PM
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dave(skater), even peter has asked who "is that "?...
peter at skater has many years of building boats and relies on customers/racers input for future development. from top racers like johny t. to his customers that know next to nothing. all have something to offer. SORTING all that info/bs and turning it into a great product is something he has proven.
peter is very aware of our goals. both short and long term. he has been very open to what our input has been so far. hence the boat is being changed at skater's facility.
i am waiting for a overnight air package: broken shaft, adjustable t53 engine puller we designed, and some BPM tools. i will then be at a laboratory for the shaft. i then have a $hit ton of other work. which should be done by 2am. at that point i will pull an all nighter, drive to skater and spend the rest of the day working on both engines and then pulling both out to do hot ends.
SKATERDAVE...if you know so much??? or anyone else i IMPLORE you to POST something POSITIVE that JBS Racing and or SKATER should be doing? because according to you we have no idea. skater/peter is included in that last statement because why would he be doing ANYTHING for a team like ours; according to you!!?? i assure you it's not the money! it's NOT one of his boats! if it was he would take the boat in, do what he wanted and told us to come back with a check later!!!
i am not that hard to find nor do i HIDE behind a screen name! so to reiterate! IF YOU HAVE GOOD INPUT FOR US? please contact me personally on my cell 734-635-1697 day or night! i don't sleep much and this is my current priority. to those that have; I THANK YOU VERY MUCH! if my private messages fill (which they have) please email me direct. Some have had some great connections and definite valuable information.
as a side note: you know they say: "there is no such thing as bad press!" i guess we'll just have to see how that works out for who?
peter at skater has many years of building boats and relies on customers/racers input for future development. from top racers like johny t. to his customers that know next to nothing. all have something to offer. SORTING all that info/bs and turning it into a great product is something he has proven.
peter is very aware of our goals. both short and long term. he has been very open to what our input has been so far. hence the boat is being changed at skater's facility.
i am waiting for a overnight air package: broken shaft, adjustable t53 engine puller we designed, and some BPM tools. i will then be at a laboratory for the shaft. i then have a $hit ton of other work. which should be done by 2am. at that point i will pull an all nighter, drive to skater and spend the rest of the day working on both engines and then pulling both out to do hot ends.
SKATERDAVE...if you know so much??? or anyone else i IMPLORE you to POST something POSITIVE that JBS Racing and or SKATER should be doing? because according to you we have no idea. skater/peter is included in that last statement because why would he be doing ANYTHING for a team like ours; according to you!!?? i assure you it's not the money! it's NOT one of his boats! if it was he would take the boat in, do what he wanted and told us to come back with a check later!!!
i am not that hard to find nor do i HIDE behind a screen name! so to reiterate! IF YOU HAVE GOOD INPUT FOR US? please contact me personally on my cell 734-635-1697 day or night! i don't sleep much and this is my current priority. to those that have; I THANK YOU VERY MUCH! if my private messages fill (which they have) please email me direct. Some have had some great connections and definite valuable information.
as a side note: you know they say: "there is no such thing as bad press!" i guess we'll just have to see how that works out for who?
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08-10-2010 | 10:17 PM
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There is NO doubt that Skater builds a great boat,and they are a great repair facility also but I find it hard to believe that Cosker would not stand behind his product especially since he built it with one purpose in mind to go very fast with Turbine power.I am just curious did he say he would not fix the boat or did he say hey it is what it is or did he not even get the opportunity to do anything about it,I do not know him but from what people say ,,he is a stright shooter and that he stands behind his product.What is his take on all this,just curious.
08-10-2010 | 10:41 PM
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[QUOTE=1HYPER1;3179705]There is NO doubt that Skater builds a great boat,and, they are a great repair facility also but I find it hard to believe that Cosker would not stand behind his product especially since he built it with one purpose in mind to go very fast with Turbine power.I am just curious did he say he would not fix the boat or did he say hey it is what it is or did he not even get the opportunity to do anything about it,I do not know him but from what people say ,,he is a stright shooter and that he stands behind his product.What is his take on all this,just curious.[/QUOTE
for starters, Cosker was at St. Clair when the boat delaminated (again) during testing..... let's see now if I were Cosker I would think to myself "f....k, we need to fix this and fast, Jbs racing wants to be in Michigan City, IN for the SBI race in two weeks, maybe I should take it to Florida and get this fixed and figured immediately, because Jeff spent a ton of money with us and we will stand by our product"!!!
what actually happened? nah I can't it back, bring it down yourself and we will try to repair it right this time......oh and by the way I am on vacation next week, I will get back to you in a few weeks.....
for starters, Cosker was at St. Clair when the boat delaminated (again) during testing..... let's see now if I were Cosker I would think to myself "f....k, we need to fix this and fast, Jbs racing wants to be in Michigan City, IN for the SBI race in two weeks, maybe I should take it to Florida and get this fixed and figured immediately, because Jeff spent a ton of money with us and we will stand by our product"!!!
what actually happened? nah I can't it back, bring it down yourself and we will try to repair it right this time......oh and by the way I am on vacation next week, I will get back to you in a few weeks.....
08-10-2010 | 11:08 PM
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what does standing behind your product mean? jeff has had 2 boats from mystic that have continually failed since day 1 on both..."cosmetic" damage is not the answer. nor was adding stringers here and there when it failed. nor was adding additional support during the winter. other boats having multiple issues as well.
so to sum it up:
we know the 2 boats cosker built for jeff were built incorrectly. there is no debating that. i can debate what arruda did to add to the equation.
we know that EVERY FIX coster did on BOTH boats failed. that cannot be debated.
platinum, tencara, and mystic are all $exy boats!
covering for him because; the "what if" we need another complete hull from cosker is just no longer an option. cosker PAYING JEFF to fix his mistakes is not even a possibility. he just plain and simple cannot do it.
so to sum it up:
we know the 2 boats cosker built for jeff were built incorrectly. there is no debating that. i can debate what arruda did to add to the equation.
we know that EVERY FIX coster did on BOTH boats failed. that cannot be debated.
platinum, tencara, and mystic are all $exy boats!
covering for him because; the "what if" we need another complete hull from cosker is just no longer an option. cosker PAYING JEFF to fix his mistakes is not even a possibility. he just plain and simple cannot do it.
08-10-2010 | 11:15 PM
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but he was a stright shooter doing the interview with matt t. FLAT OUT LYING about MANY of the statements made! not to mention placing blame on jbs rather than himself! 
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for starters, Cosker was at St. Clair when the boat delaminated (again) during testing..... let's see now if I were Cosker I would think to myself "f....k, we need to fix this and fast, Jbs racing wants to be in Michigan City, IN for the SBI race in two weeks, maybe I should take it to Florida and get this fixed and figured immediately, because Jeff spent a ton of money with us and we will stand by our product"!!!
what actually happened? nah I can't it back, bring it down yourself and we will try to repair it right this time......oh and by the way I am on vacation next week, I will get back to you in a few weeks.....
for starters, Cosker was at St. Clair when the boat delaminated (again) during testing..... let's see now if I were Cosker I would think to myself "f....k, we need to fix this and fast, Jbs racing wants to be in Michigan City, IN for the SBI race in two weeks, maybe I should take it to Florida and get this fixed and figured immediately, because Jeff spent a ton of money with us and we will stand by our product"!!!
what actually happened? nah I can't it back, bring it down yourself and we will try to repair it right this time......oh and by the way I am on vacation next week, I will get back to you in a few weeks.....
08-10-2010 | 11:25 PM
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There is NO doubt that Skater builds a great boat,and they are a great repair facility also but I find it hard to believe that Cosker would not stand behind his product especially since he built it with one purpose in mind to go very fast with Turbine power.I am just curious did he say he would not fix the boat or did he say hey it is what it is or did he not even get the opportunity to do anything about it,I do not know him but from what people say ,,he is a stright shooter and that he stands behind his product.What is his take on all this,just curious.
Say you buy a shiny new F650 to pull your boat. F650's are made to pull things. You hook your boat up and head down the road and the next thing you know the frame cracks. You call ford and they say oops, we will give you a new F650. You get the new truck and the frame cracks again. So you take it back to ford and the mechanic climbs under it, welds it up and says your good to go. Next weekend you hook up the boat and head to the ramp and the frame cracks again. Do you...
A: take it back to Ford and pray it gets fixed right this time
B: Take it to another mechanic with a world reknowned reputation for fixing frames
All the while knowing in the back off your head that if the frame cracks hauling the boat down the freeway there is a good chance your either going to die or get banged up pretty good.....
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08-10-2010 | 11:29 PM
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JC was going to repair the boat for "free" which meant I had to deliver and pick the boat up in Florida.it would have cost me $5K to do that and I would have missed a sponsored race.bringing the boat to Skater was a no-brainer---we had the boat actualy fixed for less than it would have cost to drive it to Florida plus still made it to Michigan city and put $20k of sponsorship in JBS racings account.we did win the race overall-even with the prop planted in the transom of the boat.
Everyone can remain skeptical if they want to-JBS racing is very excited about it's future-which may include building the badest ass cats on the planet.
Everyone can remain skeptical if they want to-JBS racing is very excited about it's future-which may include building the badest ass cats on the planet.
