The chine walk was with the Italian boats the 34 & 40 had no problems with that. The hook pushed the bow down, rocker let the bow ride up.

It all goes back to prop angle, surface drives run negative trim prop angled slightly upwards like a conventional inboard. That pushed the bow down and transom up on a long boat. The rocker allows the back to settle in and ride on the transom, it liens back on itself - between those two dynamics the boat should run flat and fast.

Traditonal hulls mostly have a hook, the bow goes down and a positive trim angle on the outdrive pries the bow up to overcome the hook. You take the hook out and it takes less trim to achieve the same boat angle of attack.

yea, the older I get the cooler I was. kinda wish you hadnt posted that photo. I recognize most everyone in the photo but that was long enough ago dont make me try and put names to anyone. man, that all seems like a whole other lifetime ago.

Steve, you made me go down stairs and pull out the settlement agreement I signed 20 years ago and read the letter from the then lawyer Cary Glickstein.

It's funny we parted on some harsh words but later talked and things were cool - I Googled him today found he's a developer in Delay Beach and tried to call him but only voice mail!

I'm on the far right side, the far left was Doug Trammel, the others I know their faces so well but can't put a name to anyone except the kid longside of me Todd Zuback.

ps - you were cool:coolcowboy:. Once I put your name with your face I remembered you, you were always a nice guy, nothing bad to ever say about you.

yea some days I feel like my mind is like a photo album, all illustration and no text. of course with me names have always been tough, I think I was on my second or third date with my wife before I could remember her full name. those were some fun times but there was with out a doubt some unusual deals with the owner of SH.

What ever became of my portable Dyno trailer?

Joe, my boat would purpose at any speed if I trimmed to high .It never was a problem, I just had to add a little tab. I had always thought that hurt my fuel economy. I was wrong. I add some fuel flow meters and my MPG actually improved by dragging a tab. If the water was pretty flat. In rough water you never noticed a purpose. that's more fun to run it anyway.
It never .really was a problem

Payton - I never thought it that big of deal either, any boat will porpise with too much trim.

Like Ed said about Everglades and not wanting it, I was there, I was there with Ralph and Tres more than a few times. I agree the boats were not perfect but whose is? I know Ed hit the nail on the head with their customers wanted Cigarette, Apache, later Fountain - you went to Everglades because it was the place to go to - you were cool buying a boat there, having them work on it, store it, etc - they were Da Man!

We thought if they had our boats we would be cool too!

I also really believe (I hated it to) the name was wrong, the Super Hero had a real Japanese feeling to it and then after the Marvel comics problem to change to Super Hawaii was dumb at best - that name was the worse. What did it mean?

I didn't have enough of an interest to say "No" and allot really went along with whatever Kitami said because they were just sucking his wallet dry!

Me, anybody that ever sat in the Hialeah confernce room knew I fought everyone on so many things - hence I needed to go at all costs. Even after I left I held the stock for awhile just because I would not give in - F*** some of those people.

In the end they were wrong, they took Kitami's money and made him oust the few people that were loyal to him, even if they weren't the best at what they did, they were not robbing him like others did!

I'm sorry, after pulling out the old letters, it just made me think about how many people screwed him so bad and painted a few in a bad light.

As far as I know no participation of Abbate. Offshorer Marine was started by throttleman Gianfranco Rossi (with partner Renato Della Valle) in 1988 in Ventimiglia, resurrecting the shipyard his father founded in '74.

Back to Super Hawaii. It seems that they had big plans. While searching for other things I stumbled over these design proposals of a famous Italian designer made for SH. Do you know if one of those has ever been realized?:

48' Sport
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/f...00/48Sport.jpg

60' Sport
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/f...00/60Sport.jpg

50' Flybridge
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/f...0Flybridge.jpg

50' Cruiser
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/f.../50Cruiser.jpg

olli - not ever made as far as I know as production. There was one BIG one made for the Venice to Monte Carlo 55' - 65' and that boat was a flop, kind of an older version of the Sony boat. Steve do you have any pics of that boat from over in Italy? It never made it here to the US.

YES - Offshorer Monte Carlo they made the pleasure version I believe of the CESA that we brought to Miami

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/f...i5400/GT63.jpg


You posted a pic of that on the other SH-thread. I have seen that model as FB 46, Voyager Aero 46, Ilver Aero 46, Monte Carlo 46, Super Hawaii 46, Vitrostamp ...

Monte Carlo 46:

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/f...Carlo46001.jpg

Yes, Monte Carlo 46 with twin 600hp Seateks, was in couple boat magazines with me and my wife on the sunpad one time - her big shot at swimsuit modeling but it was taken from a helicopter so not much to see - LOL!

I still kid her had it been a close-up our life could have changed forever - you know Victoria Secret would have been right there after her and earning the big bucks!

Good thing she does read what I write:eek:

That was a great boat we took it to Sundays a few times for brunch and other places just to be seen with it. it turned such heads the fact that it was diesel at that time with the exhaust through the drives - so quite. The trimaxs allowed you to spin that boat like a Hatteras pulling up to the dock and the ZF trans were so smooth, the mini-wing on top - a great show when you pulled up with that in 1990!

Such things can have painful consequences.

I meant good thing she doesn't read what I write but I figured you already got that!

That 48 Sport looks like Art Carlson designed. It looks like a grown up version of the Glastron/Carlson Scimitar.
Cool boat.

There is a 40 SH in Va Beach FOR SALE !!!!

Payton your right the 48 and even the 60's style lean that way. They definately look like something out of a James Bond movie. HabanaJoe that 46 Monte Carlo looks like a very cool ride

I dont have photos of much any more. after Michelle passed away I went on a binge of throwing out stuff, a couple dozen trophies and three file cabinets full of photos and articles all went in the trash. about the only SH photos I have are of the broken 38 from the Port Huron race. I never really saved much from any of the stuff I have done over the years and I try not to be in too many photos, the term "incriminating evidence" has come up too often so I try to keep a low profile.

Compedgemarine, I started this thread to find out some info about a friend of mines boat because my limited skills on the internet yielded no results. WOW!!! I could not be more pleased to read all the info & pics that you,HabanaJoe,Peyton,& the others that joined in provided & like I told HabanaJoe the stories (your memories) of building,racing & running these boats are priceless, Thanxs for all of your input

wish I could be of more help, I worked in sarasota at the race shop so except for the few times the factory needed help with issues I never really had much to do with the production boats. In the end I moved all the race shop up to plant and put it in a building where it sat as the race program was pretty much done. after that I went and found something else to do till I ran into Sirois at a car auction and he suckered me into coming on to work on the Alcone boats.

this is the four engine diesel boat.

http://boatmad.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=20074

it was originally named the gancia dei gancia, little history on it

http://www.fbdesign.it/cesa1882.php

in looking back on pics this is the replacement for the broken Port Huron boat. it was a loaner from FB.

http://boatmad.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=20071

The white 38' was the Baltek boat I beleive?

brochure pics....

Thank you!

Anyone have pics of the 1993 Miami Boat Show SH?

yes I think you may be right that the white boat was the Baltek boat. dont know what happened to it after we used it.

From Habana Joes colection

more from Joe

Picture on left - this is why diesels, no matter how good they were in the US were doomed years ago. This is one boat starting at the 1989 worlds in AC. To the left of that boat is Kappa the Buzzi cat that later Stefano was killed in, the smoke is so thick you can't seee the boat! The smoke was a Isotta diesel though, Seatek was just as bad if not worse!

Picture on right - back to Super Hero (the original name), this was part of our booth at the 1990 Miami boat show. It was pretty classy for it's time, the orignal name with the black and goal was rich looking. When the name changed to Hawaii like I said, I thought it was stupid! i won't go into who came up with the multi-colored letters in the new name but again, i thought it just very low class. Who in the world associates offshore powerboats with Hawaii? The Japanese watched Miami Vice they wanted Miami not Hawaii 5-0!!!!

The pic on left - first the girl on the right is my wife of 25+ years, she let me go broke because she loved me! I wish she hated me back then and said no to some things!

Anyway, the boat that was the 34' diesel test boat, we had the large leaning post because hour after hour of running the boat got tiring. It was nice to sit up on there, lean to the side etc - great boat! The back seat seemed very high because it was a fuel tank, we just threw the seats on top as to not sit on the tank. The twin Cummins took up all the engine room and we needed more than the under deck tank, we didn't want to keep moving weight forward so we did this tank. When you look at the black 38 or white 38 race boat the fuel tank was in the same place across the boat not length wise.

Theory behind side to side was keep the tank very short and very high with a bottom draw, no pick-up tubes to break. The short tank had less slosh front to back allowed for a tapered bottom. To ensure a clean flow of air-free fuel to the engines we also had a small 2 gallon fuel log, the main tank gravity fed the fuel log and the log had a vent tube that ran to the top of the main tank - no air got in the engines!

PS the guy on the left is Doc, remember him from Popeyes!

Center and right pictures - they are the 46' Super Hero pleausre version of the gancia /cesa but the two had nothing in common really. The twin 600hp Seateks, the 4 seperate bolsters were really cool and pretty progressive for 21 years ago. As olli said they were really "Offshoreres" and if you look at the steering wheel you'll see the "Offshorer" logo on there in red. The boat was just really sexy, sleek and smelled of money, Apache's and Cigarette's were nice but you pulled up with this and you were in a different class altogether, not better or worse just different.

I'm looking for the magazine test of the 46', I think it is at my father's house and I'll stop there tomorrow. that boat may not have been built or designed by us but it is what Kitami wanted the company to be - notch above!

the Seatek's were as bad or worse than that. if you watch the tapes of those boats racing you always knew where the had been by the black trail in the water. at the shop we had to scrub the boats top to bottom every time we started them.

Steve, yea the Seatek were very bad we had to call the Fire Dept before we ran them at the shop as people would see the black smoke and the Fire Dept would get over run with calls - Fire, Fire, Fire !!!!

This has become a very cool thread

great thread
 

Yes ,great thread ,post some more pics please ,and keep the info coming Joe.

I believe this is the boat, it used to have some really old pink / teal graphics which were peeled off. One of the pics still has some of the original graphics left on the deck.

I am reasonably sure this boat is for sale. Last time I saw it - it was in really nice shape!

The lines of the 40 are all very close to the 34.
1st pic is just a cool shot by an airplane of a chopper videoing me.
2nd are the staggered engines in my 34, although a little dirty at the time.
3rd is on Lake Michigan.

BillR, thanks.
I'm pretty sure that's it.
I remember the back bolsters. It was pretty different for '93.

More pics from Habana Joe

How thick are those propshafts , on the pic it looks like 1 1/4 or 1 1/2 inch ?
Never broke any with these big diesels ? or has this to do with running the propshafts in overdrive with small diameter props so there is less torque on the shafts ?

OK, I want to talk about a couple things here but stirlings question first:

The shafts were the same as 3A's the tapered shoulder goes to a larger dia shaft maybe 3/8"-1/2" (don't know what that is off the top of my head) and that diameter is carried through the strut bearing, it's hard to see but the shaft is tapered down very slightly all the way to where is goes through the transom coupler. I would liken this to a baseball bat your hands are on the skinny end (transom coupling) and the fatter end where you hit the ball is the where the prop mounts.

As far as breaking - no. Yes, is everything I preach about which is BIG OD gears, high prop speeds mean little drive line torque, the smaller props when re-entering the water have less bite, thus less strain. Any fast boat, the Geico any of the others on here don't go faster by turning a bigger prop slower, they turn the big prop faster!
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About the pictures themself and my point - it was said the 34' had extreme rocker and by straighting the bottom made the boat better. I don't know if better meant faster or less porpoise?

I wanted to show what I talk about in practice, the steps make for adding rocker by raising the bottom with each step, many small or few large the bottom is rasied and rocker added. To now counter the effect of rocker that makes the boat lay backwards you have to set the drives in positive trim which is up angle to drive the transom up and make the boat level.

Look at the Apache's with high X demension running in not flat water the drives are netural to positive to drive the boat through and faster, the cats same thing, drives slightly tucked under. I stand corrected about the 4 degrees on the black boat, I looked at old notes and they were 6 degrees which is even more extreme to the positive

The idea I want to explore on paper here is did the 34' bottom have to much rocker or could the drives have been too deep, maybe if the drives were higher so they had less leverage the boat would ride back on it's heels and you could have used less trim and went faster?

I swear the hull was the 32 ME and that boat worked well I believe with surface drives and the boat we made maybe wasn't a bad design or mold, just mis-applied?

I wish I had the time and money now to play again, so much smarter now and wiser now!

on my flatbottom v drive the prop is overdriven. it has 1.25 gears and runs an 11.5 x 16 propeller. 6000 rpm is over 90 mph. as for the bottom of the boats, the one that Bill and I worked on it had rocker, hook, and everything in between. we straightened that one and fixed the porpoise issue. I dont think the speed changed but you could actually run the boat for all the speed without having to work your butt off. one of my issues with people saying you need to do this or that to make your boat run is every boat is different. the drive type, the drive location, the weight of the boat and where it is all make big differences. in the race boats we would add or remove 10 or 20 pounds from the nose and it would change the characteristics of the boat in a major way. I prefer to start with a straight bottom and then work from there to find if it needs a little hook or rocker. too many people depend on advice from someone who has never even seen their boat. I dont think we got all we could from the 34 we worked on but we had race boats to work on so after getting to run good we sent it back to the plant to let them finish and ship it. as was said those propshafts never had issues. the FB race boats we had never failed one and those big SeaTec diesels made alot of grunt.