Super Hawaii
 

Does anyone know anything about these boats, Who made them? What happened? what are they worth?

You dont want to mess with that,, they leak!!!

I Believe Fabio Buzzi was the Original designer, then some other people took it over and didn't do it as well as Fabio.

There is plenty on here about them just search.

The American series were not FB designs the 34 was the Midnight Express 32 and the 40 was the Midnight 37. The bussels added the length and thus the renaming.

The Euro Series were not true FB boats either but inspired by his race baots and made by Monte Carlo (whoever made them eluded me at the moment).

Super Hero later Super Hawaii made them, they were laid-up by us in the old Auqasport plant except for the first few for the Miami show which came from Panama City Fl, (can't recall the name up there either)

ps I didn't take my Ginkoba today!

Do a search on here. There is alot about them. Are you looking at a 34 or 40? The 34 has staggered engines and a is a great rough water boat. They were only built for 3 model years 90-92.
Value depends on condition of course.

Thanks guys I started searching thi site after I posted this & found a post from a couple of years ago. Habanajoe put some great info, there were some great pics too. My good buddy has a 34 & that boat rides like a cadillac. The pic Habanajoe put up of the Miami boat show 1990 the red 34 hull #1 looks identicle to my buddys boat,trailer,mags & all except the interior in my buddys is white. Again thanks for the info Habanajoe's tale of back in the day was awesome.

Your welcome - glad to be of assistance!

If you want to really see what that hull will do, you should pull her up here to Lake Michigan. Then hope for a bumpy day. You can really make her fly if you want to.
BTW, the 34' molds have been crushed. Unless someone makes a copy, there will never be another 34. The 37/40 mold is still intact and can produce boats yet.

I told my friend that boat is made for bigger water,Ill bet it would be pretty impressive. When I was reading the post from 08 it was mentioned that the mold was crushed. I think someone made a bad decision on that one, Are the 40's all diesels or could you get gas motors as well. What would the advantage of a diesel be?

I could pick this boat up pretty reasonable but it needs work thats why I was wondering what their worth. Nice thing about this one the way it's rigged you can work on most things without having to invent a new language to ***** at it

I think that I have the only diesel SH. I have not heard that anyone else has the Cummins/ASD package. My apologies if I am mistaken. I am in the process of repowering it with new Cummins QSB-480's. Should be ready to sea-trial this Spring. The water on Lake Erie is a little hard this time of year for a water test

actually crushing the 34 mold was the best thing they did. it was terrible. every one of them had to have the bottom blue printed to make them run. Bill Sirois and I fixed the first 34 built down at the Super Hawaii race shop in Sarasota. the boat porpoised so bad it would ventilate the props. after we straightened everything the boat ran great in every thing. the one 40 we had won the around Italy race with basically stock Mercury Racing 420's. that boat never missed a beat in all kinds of water for days on end.

Was the porpoising problem common with the Midnight Express 32 hull also or was this just with the SH hull, What had to be done to fix the problem?

I think the issue was with the age of the mold. they straightened and trued the bottom on them and they ran great. I think the original plan when they scrapped the mold was to make new ones but that never materialized due to some other issues with the owner of SH.

Payton (Mark) is the resident expert on these boats What he says is law :)

Hope all is well with you Mark

haha,Marc, I think you misspelled law, It's spelled crap.
I've been doing well this winter. But thank you. Just a little busy with getting parents to doctors.

My SH only had a slight porposing issue. Really only in flat water. However, it did had a 1/4" rocker about 4' forward of the transome. I did remove this and actually put a 1/8" step in it's place. That did move any porpusing it had, unless I over trim. It also gave me a couple more mph at top speed.
Habana Joe suggested I make a ledge where the bussel meets the transome. to free up the hull. I think I had achieved the same thing with what I did.

Do/did any Intrepids hulls share S.H. design ?
ed

No, they were different

This one?
http://boatmad.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=20065

Not even this one?
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/f.../intrepid3.jpg

(I copied the pic from http://www.historicraceboats.com/home.htm a while ago but can't find it there again)

We had a red 34 and a blue 40 at Everglades Marina many years ago. The 34 porpoised so badly we never even tried the 40. They were ahead of their time and we never took any orders for them, so we sent them back to Sarasota. Customers coming to Everglades wanted Cigarettes, Fountains, Formulas and Apaches. They were not open-minded about a new brand back then.

I lusted after that boat many times! It sat outside for years at Intreped.
Steve

the red, white and blue 40 looks like the one we ran in Italy. the Intrepid is not and Intrepid, it is a Fabio Buzzi design. it has been awhile but that may be the replacement for our first FB that broke in half in Port Huron with Jerry Gilbreath and Chris Bush (tunnel boat racer) driving it. we had the twin engine 38 and a four engine 46 both running SeaTek diesels. BTW dont ever take that wing off if suffer from sea sickness.

What's your real name, we have to know each other?

Steve Schmidt, I built Reggies first raceboats then left there to work with Bill Sirois at SH. I took care of the race boats and drove the APBA pace boat that year with a 40 SH. after that Alcone Motorsports, Reliefband supercat and others. walked away from all the race stuff about 6 years ago but still lurk from time to time.

Steve it's Joe Gere, after the parting ways I think you came to the our rail yard in NJ to pick-up the assets I sold back? You were at the AC boat show if I recall, I think there is a picture of you standing there on the dock with the pace boat and all of us?

hey Joe, yes I had the pace boat at the AC show. I think I came straight from the Grand Haven or Saugatuck, Michigan race. that was back in the day when we had some great races in small towns. I probably did come pick stuff up, I spent a lot of time on the roads back then. tiring but a lot of good memories.

Did the winged boats have some kind of stability issues or did the wing help the boat fly/land softer? I wonder if Fabio Buzzi gets any compensation for all the SH radio control boats on the market? Was the tri max the only surface drive used on these boats?

Ok who can post a picture for me here? email me [email protected]

They chine walked like mad, like Steve said no wing you get sea sick! Trimax drives were used on other boats including Fountains, lot of military/police boats in Europe, some pleasure as well.

we got the bright idea one day to test without the wing on it. it chine walked so bad I swear all I saw was water spray-blue sky-water spray-blue sky. I remember years later when I was with Alcone I was in Key West talking with Fabio and he was telling me all the things "you Americans" do wrong with our boats and how his are so smooth and stable. I asked him if he had ever actually watched one of his boats as I got seasick watching his boats chine. you could almost see the steam coming out of his ears.

I raced the old 38 in Key West with the wing off, before the race that morning we went out to run a little and the seas were beam, pretty big in spots. The boat rolled over so far the wing tips got wet, we crapped our pants and said take it off - that was the one and only time the wing was off. It rolled around pretty well and with the old rack and pinion sterring it was man's work to keep her straight up!

Someone send me an email I need to post a pic here of young Steve!

Habana Joe, do you know if SH did actually ever build exact copies (not the variations with different decks or bustles etc) of the FB Design 38' (Ebel) or 46' (Cesa)?
Do you know how many were made of this model? :
http://www.offshoreonly.com/gallery/...=big&limit=all

Joe, I'll post them for you. [email protected]

Why did the 34s have a rocker in them? or was it only minefrom sitting on the trailer so much? It was right where Myco put a gap in the bunkers for lifting a boat.
Or was that as someone said because of poor molds?

not during the early years, all the stepped hulls came from Italy. Don't forget and you'll know better than me where, Buzzi was not a production boat builder, the people who built the Monte Carlos (maybe one of the Abbatte's) built the production boats. There was much confusion back then what did exactly Buzzi build or did he modify someone else's boat? Even the Cesa, there are almost exact copies of her running around as pleasure boats and they were built in the 80's also and known as Nitro's.

So, who really did build or design what?

You know, if I say I want to build a better mouse trap and it should use a laser to vaporize the mice but I know nothing about lasers but lots about mice. I go to NASA and tell them to build a laser and they do, I then attach it to a store bought 99 cent mouse trap and become world famous for having a better mouse trap - did I design it, build it, assemble it, just have a good idea or am I a great facilitator that I saw what people wanted and was able to put all the best minds together and make it real???

If I had to guess it is easy to say "old mold" but usally I think they develope hook and not rocker from the weight of the transom holding the back down and forward of it rises from the heat of curing?

The old Midnight Express and a few others were useing Arneson's back in the day (early-mid 80's) for more speed and ability to hold more power. Surface drives run better with rocker than hook or straight bottoms (step bottoms are enhenced rocker). There were several sets of ME molds God only knows which ones we brought if even actual ME's. The 34' might have been a surface drive hull mold hence lots of rocker in it and they were happy to sell it to us at a premium!

here's Joe's pic

Hm, interesting. I sanded out the back half of the rocker, making a slight step. Then sanded the back 4" straight intsead of a slight hook at the back. It really made my hull ride higher in the water and still no chine walking whatsoever.

Thank you - Steve if that is you were the rather cool guy with shades in the middle -:drink:

The question is do you remember which of those is me?

To the left is your pace boat and right is my 34' with the diesels in it.

I tried to give a positive spin on the rocker in the 34's as to why so bad and this picture reminded me the 34' had the Arensons on it and that boat ran pretty flat till about 72-74 mph then it would porpoise or run out of bottom? That boat had the stainless box/plate on the transom to cover the notch and let us mount the Arenson drives on there flat and that box had a slight hook in it.

I only ever ran the first 34' red boat in the ocean, out of goverment cut, etc so I don't recall a bad porpise I only remember I could never run the boat flat out because everytime I had it, it was rough as hell!

How fast did any of you remember the boat start to porpise at?