Hey RHR you can see I edited my post, no need to steer the thread the wrong way. :drink:

no steering just DONT QUIT YOUR DAY JOB !!!!!:lolhit:


Randy/Wild hope things all work themselves out :drink:

The trailer is fine structurally, id put speedy on it right now and haul it with only 5 out of 6 good axles, its all cosmetic and some mechanical stuff, but it all adds up

[QUOTE=RunninHotRacing163.1;3345140]He's not talking about PIER57..... Read his post... We have our own tilt trailers, But if we did use his and messed it up, You can bet your AZZ, Woods would bring it back better than new.:drink: So keep digging boys you'll figure out who it is.:grinser010:

+2!

Hell even when borrow my dads caddy for a night out on the town with my wife cause the truck is too big to be downtown i return it washed, waxed and with a full tank of gas! And i can say that all my friends are the same way in regards to eachothers property. If my buddy from Tampa fly's in for the weeknd and needs to borrow my truck i throw the keys and let him know where the ins card is...i dont have to worry about the truck coming back any less then the way it left.

X 100! Good luck! If I borrowed sump'n from somebody & it broke/failed on my shift, it's my responsibility!!!

Note my original post was edited...... RHR was stirring the pot! :evilb:

I borrowed a members trailer last year to pick up my new boat in LOTO, this member keeps his stuff in beyond perfect condition as do I. I haul it there and back no issues, then I am going to my parents and I blow a tire, it in turn took out the tail light. I repalced the whole tail light and replaced the tire washed and waxed the trailer and polished the tires and wheels and returned it. The owner tried to give me half the money for the tire and tail light I said are you kidding me? There is no way I am taking money from you. If anyhting I owe you! Point is you use it you repair it.

Yes i know its fine. I saw it when i was there last month and have a few pics on my phone of the problems.

That sucks!! Hopefully they make it right because it is a small world!!

Comment:
The above post is right on point and answers the question. I would add some additional comments on loaning items to people.

First and foremost, have an agreement before the item is loaned on what happens if any damage occurs. Even if your the party borrowing stuff. For example, a person wants to borrow a propeller I say if you drop it ding it etc... you bought it.... agreed!.... if not then don't borrow it.

Same goes for the trailer discuss before hand if anything is damaged on trailer the person borrowing agrees to pay for it. As for a high dollar tilt trailer this procedure should be a given protocol. This allows you to be a nice guy and remain protected in what is expected between both parties.

One of the first concerns for me would be insurance coverage if someone plows into the trailer who's policy is going to pay. Did this person add the trailer as additionally insured on their policy etc....

As stated earlier I would offer a compromise witth the other party on splitting the cost of repair. If they refuse then you must pay for repair or submit the claim to your carrier which ever you prefer.

KAP

P.S. Agreements first...another example which comes up often.... is friend asks me to drive his boat back to marina and he is going by land. I say if anything breaks on this boat it is not my responsibility "do you understand" his answer Yes! If No, then guess what hot rod your on your own.

P.P.S. If you follow everyones position on you pay for it if you borrow it.... where does it end and almost always creates a mess both financially and with friendships:).

[QUOTE=cdowns;3345162][QUOTE=RunninHotRacing163.1;3345140]

He's not talking about PIER57..... Read his post... We have our own tilt trailers, But if we did use his and messed it up, You can bet your AZZ, Woods would bring it back better than new.:drink: So keep digging boys you'll figure out who it is.:grinser010:[/QUOTE

#### yes he would!

Buck up and pay. You need formalities to go after them (contract, terms, pre inspection, post inspection). You should of had everything in writing and if you did not, then your stuck paying for it. Really not an ethical delima.........on your side anyway.

+100

Let's face it, one of the biggest problems with this hobby that we all love is that it seems to be a magnet that attracts phucking azzholes. That pizzes me off. :(

+1 not to mention the fact that even though it might have been a 1 in a million chance the borrower needed to be prepared to the entire trailer it been destroyed durring the time it was in their possession. A legit business has insurance & to my knowledge the tow vehicle insurance covers the trailer behind regardless of ownership.

Personally I would have called the owner the second I got a flat to let them know and ask them how they'd like me to handle it.

Great friendships & business to business relationships take time to build but one can certainly flush one down the toilet in a hurry but not taking responsibilities for their own actions!

Sad!!

[QUOTE=thirdchildhood;3345257][QUOTE=cdowns;3345162]

I know that and you know that now take a Midol and get back under the porch, we'll bang on your food bowl if we need ya :D:kiss:

C'mon now Buttmunch who's STIRRIN THE POT ????? :evilb:

Randy/Wild sorry for the Hijack :drink:

Kentucky?

I would contact my insurance agent and give them as much information as I could gather about the vehicle and owner that was towing your trailer when the damage occured and let them sort it out.

That's what you are paying for.

That's not true. When you entrust someone with your property they have a duty care and a responsibility over that property.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailment

Also, there is something called a "quasi-contract" or a contract in law that could impose penalties on the defendant in court for their wrongful actions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasi-contract

I borrowed a pickup once when I was in a bind, worked out of it for a month. The tires were slick when I borrowed it, the transmission went out the last 3 days I was borrowing it. I brought it back with 4 new buckshot mudders and a new transmission. The guy was shocked I did to it what I did. He told me if he has anything I ever needed just come get it from now on. I felt real good bringing his truck back to him.

Randy once you out them the bad publicity will cost them a lot more in the long run.....and it will probably save some others more than that warning them of this persons ethics!

They should pay up...At least they should offer!

Don't know the name of this business but I know everything I need to about the owner:

He has no morals.

He doesn't value the friendship of the man who did him this favor.

He must not believe that the value of his good name is worth at least 7500 bucks.

In short he is a no good piss ant motherf*****.!!

Definitely not the guy id want to buy a $700,000 cat from. As soon as something happened ....sorry not my problem

It sounds like the real damage happened after the trailer was returned and was driving down the road. Would if you would have returned the truck, and then sometime after that the transmission would have gone bad. Would you still have fixed it? I dont know you, but I kind of doubt it.

It is possible that two very good people with the right intentions can see things from different perspectives. It does not make one right and the other wrong at all, as they both can be right from thier perspective. Good people can agree to disagree and still respect each other.

If the damage occured when under the control of the guy that borrowed it, it would be a slam dunk decision. Since teh majority of the damage happened after control was handed over, it gets to be pretty gray. With the assumption that both are good people (Wild would not have lent it out if he thought any different, I would assume), I bet that they work it out. The right answer to most conflicts, whatever it is, is usually somewhere in the middle. Sometimes the hardest thing to overcome, even more than money, is principal, and I would hate to see a friendship end over principal.

Just my two cents, and well overpriced at that!

No need to over complicate this.

Its all very simple and sportsman like.

Return loaned things in a state better or equal to what you borrowed them in along with a thank you note and at minimum bottle of Jack - and your credit stays good.

Sounds to me like your generosity was taken advantage of and Id give the guy 1 week to make good before you out his douchebaggery on OSO.

Hes hosed you already unless he has some possible reason which at this stage seems unlikely. YOu dont have anything more to lose but he does.

Bummer.







Uncle Dave

That just sucks...Hope it works out for the better.
Your a better man than I. I don't think I would have let someone borrow my trailer.

I would loan someone my trailer.

I loan and borrow high end things all the time.

I loan one set of toys for another.

I loaned out my toy-hauler and 2 quads and pickup for a weekend, and in exchange I borrowed a deck-boat from a friend for a weekend so I could "show up" at a kids birthday party with enough boating seats for 15 people.

For me 99% of the time it works out because its reciprocal. I return things in better shape than when I borrow them and so do my real friends and long time business acquaintances.

Even with these friends there is a no "first time" policy.

the list is very short though and with that few I have had -0- problems

(note I didnt say nothing ever needed fixing I said I had no problems. )

Part of being sportsmanlike is that if your loaned goodie gets broken you cant whine at all if it ultimately gets fixed properly.

no whiney bee-othches

Uncle Dave

Don't you practice law, or are a law student? Didn't they teach you that the only thing that is black in white in law is the paper its printed on?

Good point Unc, When we going to swap old ladies for a weekend? Take a few video's and put them on the hunting chanel or wild world of sports. :lolhit:

I know of five 40 Skaters who are you talking to?? I'll send them your way.

Read the first post

"A well know out of state used boat sales company asks to borrow your tilt trailer"

It might help you.

good minds thing alike :ernaehrung004::ernaehrung004:

Bingo, nothing more valuable then your reputation.

I glanced through the un-mentioned dealers website today and when you see the boats he has listed the whole deboggle becomes even more rediculous to think that he borrowed a trailer (didn't even rent) then it ends up all jacked up and not even an attempt to make it right on his part?
At least we can count on Karma.

Return in original condition friend or not you guys should put it in writing break it you buy it!bikes,cars,boats,trailers if you are that nice to lend it they should have no problem signing an agreement!just my 02

Send him a bill, if he doesnt pay it, than call them out ! F%%^&cking people!

What ever happened to"You break it you bought it"?

There is no need to go into great detail in here, but basically someone we
considered a friend called and wanted to know if he could borrow one of PBB's tilt trailers to be able to make it south in November for the races. They couldn't make it with a flat because of the time frame and permits. I called Wild and asked his thoughts and he was very hesistant because of
some past boat deal, but he was in if I was. PBB transported the other tilt over to pick up Speedy, they loaded and headed back to Loto. Randy Wild did buy the silver tilt last year from PBB, but PBB still owns over 50% of it, carries all the insurance, and licensing. So when someone calls and needs a huge favor you try to make it happen. The only thing that was asked was to not take the PBB stickers off, deliver it to PBB at Loto when done and have it back by December 2, 2011 because it was headed somewhere on Dec 5. Was not delivered back to MO till the night of Dec 16th and didn't even bring it to Loto. The trailer was a joke. We have never heard a single word out of the dealer. Hey Wild, rumor at Loto is his crew chief is based here........ I would think we could get a t-shirt or two out of the deal!

I'm sure this person will be at the next poker run or offshore race, I'd wait to see him out at dinner with his "Posse" and I'd walk over and punch him right in the face, then when he fell out of his chair I'd stomp on his neck while someone in his Posse was writing my check! It's not like he'd be suprised it happened...... D Bag...

HA, and he even admits they drove it over "TONS" of curbs because its so long, great stuff :angry-smiley-038:

Knowing that, I'd reverse my earlier opinion about splitting the cost. "Tons" of curbs can cause "tons" of damage, some of which cannot be seen until later. Good luck with getting them to pay up. If I were a betting man, I would venture to guess that they will. One certainty, if they had any smarts, they would come to an agreement with you as they not want to be crushed by the "OSO Wave", that will hit them if you decide to identify who they are.

Maybe make them aware of this thread, if they are not already.