Ethics Question
 

OK here is the case

A well know out of state used boat sales company asks to borrow your tilt trailer (free of charge) for an upcoming event to show off a little, you hesitate but eventually say yes because you are a nice guy and think it would be cool. company takes trailer hauls it from MO to FL with boat on it and back empty. Trailer comes back with a flat spare and flat spot on the existing tire still on the trailer with a locked up break and a busted axle and a bent up fender. My guy hooks up to it, drives less than 100 miles and the axle and wheel come flying off. Price to fix trailer is $7500. Company says they will pay for a new tire and thats it, its not their fault. WHAT

OK, i get it, maybe if i would have been hauling the boat the same thing would have happened, maybe not, how long did they pull the empty trailer with a locked up break? Who nows the real deal, i dont.

So my question is, should i just bend over and pay for it or what, what would you do?

Sorry to hear this, Randy.
 

Name some names.
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not yet, still giving him time to think about it and get all the facts from the haulers that drove the truck, but when i talked to him on the dock in miami he was quick to walk away

:poopoo: this is gunna be good :drink:

You know the old saying " nice guys finish last". It looks like this fits that criteria. I hope it all works out. Good luck.

The borrower should bring it back in the same or BETTER condition than when they took the trailer. If a person is not willing to accept the responsibility they shouldn't ask. However, your situation is probably the norm.

I know if I had barrowed it the thing would be fixed on my dime. Was the bent fender from the axel breaking or hitting something? Is he saying that the axels were week or defective or something?

Keep after them but don't get nasty until you have too.

"So my question is, should i just bend over and pay for it or what, what would you do?"

Hell no!!!

I agree with mwinn1. Anytime i have borrowed anything I have returned it in the same or better condition. I have also been burned by people borrowing my stuff. Which, is why I no longer loan hardly anything to anyone, and I am more than a little hesitant to borrow anything.

The trailer was their responsibility while it was in there care and they should be responsible for any subsequent damages. Good Luck and if they don't make it right, screw em any and every way you can.

I would be pissed if someone borrowed a 100k trailer and it didn't come back in the same condition as when it left.

The Person that borrowed it is trying to play in a league they can't afford. That's why it's a slippery slope when u loan something to someone. Its sad but the guy that would make the situation right is the same guy that wouldn't ask to borrow it in the first place.
As the prop turns...

Randy I don't know you personally but I have never seen anything you have owned that wasn't perfect so I find it hard to believe that your tilt trailer was in bad shape.

No way should you be on the hook for anything and the trailer should be returned to you in the condition it was taken.

That dealer needs to do the right thing and fix it or atleast offer a $7500 rental fee!

Well Said!

"Same Out Same In"

+1

I feel bad for you. I always cringe when someone asks to borrow my stuff if I don't know how they will react if they broke it...

It looks like you might be finding that out the hard way.

I do think if you named some names, you'd be surprised how fast you would be paid up!!

has nothing to do with MTI factory or any MTI dealer

No good deed goed unpunished

10-4.......that leaves only one other person trying to sell a lot of cats.... :eek:

Not quite following this part. Your guys towed it with a wheel locked up?

I understand it was a preexisting condition to when they took over. Why does the borrower claim they are only responsible for the wheel, but not the axle, brake repair and fender? Did the damage all occur because a wheel locked up, from faulty brakes or from the driver hitting an obsticle?

they were not using it to sell a boat and it wasnt for the boat show

This smells........... Sounds like the borrower is a JERK! Any insurance on the trailer? Maybe if he hit something it might be covered?

Why would your guy pull it with Broken axle and a locked brake?

To have it returned in anything less than the condition it was in when it left is wrong. Whoever borrowed it is responsible for putting the trailer back to it's pre-borrowed condition. We all understand accidents can happen, it's how a person responds that brings to light their true character.

Didn't take long for me and Ty to figure out who it is. Hope you can get it all straightened out. That is not a fun situation to be in.

he hooked up to it and put a new wheel on it and axle and wheel flew off, the trailer has 6 independent axles, not 3 axles with two wheels on each

:drink:

That *ucks.

Randy, your a good guy that goes out of your way for people and it really sucks to hear you got taken advantage of. I hope things get resolved easily for ya.

If you are pissed enough to start this thread you obviously know where this needs to go. I guess they don't plan on keeping your business?

GOOGLE is for life.

Was the trailer dipped in Florida? (Are you sure?) Could this have lead to the brake locking up?

Randy, for the record I think highly of you and personally think you of all people don't deserve this.

A couple years ago a very generous member here offered me one of his boats for the weekend to enjoy. Said it was sitting there and I could take it with no worries. I was very honored that he even offered. I didn't hesitate to turn down his offer for one simple reason. If a drive or motor went while I was operating the boat there was no way I could possibly afford to repair it for him. In my opinion I couldn't afford to borrow it from him regardless of his generosity.

I'm thinking your borrower was raised a little differently than some of us were.

Buck

That was your first mistake.



Not the first time that person walks away from resolving an issue.

Randy, not that you're real excited about doing "business" with said party in the future, but what can they do for you that is not cash out of their pocket?

I suspect they could have claimed it on their truck insurance.

If they hit something like road scrap on hiway and ripped axle mounts, doesnt insurance cover that ?

+1

I very rarely borrow or loan anything. I have a few close friends that I have trusted with my boats, cars and even airplane. I have also on occasion borrowed some of their things. I would never, ever borrow something that I was not willing or able to repair 100% in the even of a mishap, my fault or otherwise.

sounds like that dip $hit from LOTO that has a 40 Skater huh

A well know out of state used boat sales company asks to borrow your tilt trailer (free of charge) for an upcoming event to show off a little, you hesitate but eventually say yes because you are a nice guy and think it would be cool. company takes trailer hauls it from MO to FL with boat on it and back empty.

That was very nice of you to loan it to whomever it was that needed it. The generosity of the boating community can be pretty amazing at times.

Trailer comes back with a flat spare and flat spot on the existing tire still on the trailer with a locked up break and a busted axle and a bent up fender. My guy hooks up to it, drives less than 100 miles and the axle and wheel come flying off. Price to fix trailer is $7500. Company says they will pay for a new tire and thats it, its not their fault. WHAT

Did your guy discuss the busted up stuff with them before he hooked up to it, or was the only visible problem at the time was the tires? If the stuff was not busted, and your guy hooked up and pulled it, it may be pretty tough to hang it on the folks that borrowed it.

OK, i get it, maybe if i would have been hauling the boat the same thing would have happened, maybe not, how long did they pull the empty trailer with a locked up break? Who nows the real deal, i dont.

You may never know, and you may drive yourself nuts trying to figure it out

So my question is, should i just bend over and pay for it or what, what would you do?

It could be argued that all of this would have happened anyway. It seems like a good resolution would be to offer to split the cost of repairs with the folks that borrowed the trailer. They will just need to look at it as being $3750 worth of rental on a high dollar trailer. Now if the axle would have let loose while they were actually towing it, then I would say that it would be all on them.

If there is a silver lining to all of this, at least Speedy was not on the trailer at the time. I have seen pics of tires/axles that have blown out and done some pretty major damage to the boat on the trailer. Not much consolation under the circumstances, but you may have dodged a bigger bullet.
Imagine your driver calling you 1/2 way between home and Havasu and telling you the bad news.

Whatever happens, good luck with it, as it is never a good situation.

My Dad taught me to never borrow anything you can't or are unwilling to cut the cheque to replace in case you screw it up.

Sounds like you will be the one getting screwed here.

It is pretty crappy who did this. I have seen this trailer in person and it is pretty messed up.
Randy should we post pics of it?

Jupiter aka Culumbo dont quit your day job :D:lolhit: