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Quinlan 03-09-2011 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by BraceYourself (Post 3346238)
I sweear this sounds like a mess. :)

HMMM

SLOWRIDE-388 03-09-2011 07:45 PM

What a mess Wild, hope everything gets worked out. I know its been a long time with still no resolution. See you at the Lake, will buy the first round...

97FASTech 03-09-2011 07:47 PM

New to boating world and OSO. Seems as though like any other club or sport, this is a very well known community. This post has already over 8300 views. The culprit will be out more than $7500 (need to out the guy). Respect and reputation are everything. Sorry about the trailer.

fastdonzi 03-09-2011 08:38 PM

Are these D-Bags members here at OSO? Can they see that if they don't step up their future marine transactions are numbered? I hope they have other talents cause performance boating isn't going to work out with transactions like this. Some people are dumb or Stoned & some are Dumb & Stoned, thats what this seems like :) Friggin Spicolli

omerta one 03-09-2011 09:09 PM

I remember borrowing a trailer one time and buying carpet in Miami to repair the bunks; and then there was the second time I "borrowed" one and three new tires and 2,400 miles later, I returned it. Nothing like Monteagle, TN on a Saturday night, in the rain, with no lug and wrench and...without a gun. I have my own trailer now.

I say paybacks are a muther...beyond that there's not much you can do besides rat the guy out here.

Jamie B. 03-09-2011 09:26 PM

This trailer-borrower-guy is acting like he started selling boats at Fort Apache !

Dont you worry Wild, your FAST BOAT(S) will still be fast without the COMonwealth of a trailer !

:kiss:

ElimiNordic 03-09-2011 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by Jamie B. (Post 3346704)
This trailer-borrower-guy is acting like he started selling boats at Fort Apache !

Dont you worry Wild, your FAST BOAT(S) will still be fast without the COMonwealth of a trailer !

:kiss:

Now it makes sense from what I have heard about his ethics from people I trust. Thought I might want to buy a boat form him until I heard a similar story.

Cash Bar 03-09-2011 09:49 PM

Wow.....I'd be kickin someone's door down.

I can do a drive-by tho


:violent-smiley-045:

buck183 03-09-2011 10:02 PM

I fully understand the reasoning for not outing them anytime soon. I too would have a tough time doing it.

Having said that, give us their fax number. It's been awhile since we've done a group fax bomb to get someone's attention. I believe the last time we did it the guilty party started communicating rather quickly.

Fax number? :)

Buck

Audiofn 03-10-2011 12:48 AM

My brother used to have a lets just call it mass mailing program.... :D

BattleCry 03-10-2011 03:28 AM

Sounds like a Randy Sweers deal to me. Yes, I said it!

scarabman 03-10-2011 05:02 AM


Originally Posted by BattleCry (Post 3346805)
Sounds like a Randy Sweers deal to me. Yes, I said it!

1st person I thought of too. I am too lazy to follow the clues in regards to the photos to find out though...:drink:

SpeedGirl 03-10-2011 06:27 AM

:worthless_without_p of the trailer a mess!

GLH 03-10-2011 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by RunninHotRacing163.1 (Post 3346094)
:worthless_without_p

Ok....


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thumper038 03-10-2011 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by GLH (Post 3346942)

Only 7500 for that :drink:
She did say trailer a mess though!!!

BraceYourself 03-10-2011 08:23 AM

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ElimiNordic 03-10-2011 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by BraceYourself (Post 3346961)
Damage

I saw that trailer in Miami a few weeks ago at the show!

:lolhit:

Jupiter Sunsation 03-10-2011 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by GLH (Post 3346942)

Wow that is what SpeedGirl looks like huh! :D

BrettM 03-10-2011 09:31 AM

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ElimiNordic 03-10-2011 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by nebraskabaja (Post 3347029)
Last ones....

All this goes along with what some people have told me about this company and the owner. This is why I do not borrow anything. I would feel obligated to fix all this and make it better than when I borrowed. Even if he steps up and repairs the damage, it speaks legends about his character that he would not want to step up and repair. I would never want to do business with this company!

cabin fever 03-10-2011 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by nebraskabaja (Post 3346047)
All of the custom PBB decals were removed from the trailer to add the "involved parties logos".

One Dexter torque axle

2 Semi trailer tires

3 Alcoa Wheels resurfaced

Fenders and skirts need re-painted and pin stripped

New Brake lines

Several broken welds from hitting every curb from MO to FL

The trailer was high centered and there are structural cracks on each side
step.

"involved party" completly removed all of the tilt bunks and altered them to fit his boat, they will have to be remade to fit MES 2 MTI's and Speedy.

Storage compartments had hinges and locks drilled into place.

Alot of paint work needs to be done........

Thats F'd up! I'd oust the guy, (kinda already is) and make sure everyone knows that he's a dipchit.

You don't borrow something, screw it up, return it a month later then promised, and then give a "thanks". Where I come from, the guy would be walkin with a limp.

MidOcean 03-10-2011 10:07 AM

What's interesting, and I havn't seen it brought up yet, is with all the damage to this trailer, how many claims of "hit and run" and potential damage liability might be floating out there. This guy had to hit something here and there... Maybe having the FB decals on it was a good thing. I would hate to be Wild and start getting calls because someone jotted down a tag number...etc.

f_inscreenname 03-10-2011 10:07 AM

I have a buddy that has an impound yard in Del. I've seen stuff that was stolen that didn't have that much damage. How in the hell did they structural break the trailer and how can they own a boat like that and not have a trailer for it?

the bear 03-10-2011 10:17 AM

The one thing, I passed him here in MO driving up HWY 67 towards HWY 55 around the time he would have been picking it up, I was wondering why their Freightliner sportclass was doing in MO with nothing in tow, if they did hit something it was obvious who's truck it was.

sleev-les 03-10-2011 10:17 AM

Wow... Yet another reason why you can't lend anyone your stuff. Sucks to hear that the guy won't own up to the damage he caused.

Mastercraft240 03-10-2011 11:02 AM

Wow.... note to self, never deal with fastboats.com

36Tango 03-10-2011 12:00 PM

Wow. Wild was being pretty polite on his first post, not even coming close to disclosing all of the actual damage. Even after getting taken advantage of, he still attempted to handle it without bringing out the "A" team (or the OSO team I guess).

My son and I visited the Fastboats showroom in Florida in January. I could tell that it was a shrine to the owner right away, and he would not have alot of time for a couple of lowly guys from Iowa. I learned early and I have learned often to watch out for those with the most flash.

Good luck with the resolve of this. I think that there are some guys on here that are all wound up right now from watching Cocaine Cowboys and maybe they would go on a little recon mission!

US1 Fountain 03-10-2011 01:07 PM

The rust in the cracks...

Was the trailer was damaged on the way to FL, cracking the frame, and then launched in salt water, to see the rust like that? Or were those pics taken some time after trailer was returned, allowing enough time for even rain water to allow it to rust as shown.

Has this trailer ever been dunked in salt previous to the loaning?

WTW 03-10-2011 01:30 PM

Was Randy S. and Matt S. working on a trailer trade. Was it matt smiths kind heart helping out another competitor. I don't believe that.

I do believe the the trailer is a curb eater, just on the length alone. I also believe you guys were aware of that, I'm pretty sure you guys was going to shortend the trailer before the trade deal came about. The cracks on the frame does not come from high centering as suggested, that brand of trailer has had those issues for a while. It is metal fatique from all the flexing that brand has going down the hiway.

When the axle came off, who's company or driver was pulling at the time and what damage happened when that came apart.

I'm sure there is damage Randy S. needs to take care of, I am not buying the whole story. I think the real story is one high performance broker wanting to hurt another high performance broker.

ABT 03-10-2011 01:37 PM

Awesome first post. Doesn't sound like you have an axe to grind at all. :gfight:

BrettM 03-10-2011 01:51 PM

1st, Myself and MES had no idea this thread was started, second we are only posting so that the information is factual, not opinion.

There was a trade on the table to trade the in question silver tilt for the Ballistic tilt. We sold Ballistic and the tilt was not needed. Trade deal was off before our silver tilt left for MTI to head to KW, as a favor to the involved party.

We allowed the involved party to use our trailer, at no cost, if our PBB logos and decals were left on our trailer for publicity. The first pictures posted of the KW race shows our decals were off and the involved party had their logos all over it.

PBB is only upset because after our trailer was delivered to MTI, not PBB, the involved party did not take our phone calls for weeks, neither cell phone or at the office. The only way we reached this person was to call him from Big L's cell phone. No other consideration has been expressed.

As for the cracks, they were not there before the KW race, it came back that way, it was at MTI, our driver picked it up and within minutes the axle fell off the trailer. Days later we were informed by Neil W. from MTI that the trailer had a vibration on the way back from FL and one tire had a flat spot so the spare was installed. The trailer has since been sitting on the lot at PBB, it has snowed, thus the exposed metal has surface rust. The trailer has never been dipped in salt to our knowledge.

cdowns 03-10-2011 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by WTW (Post 3347233)
Was Randy S. and Matt S. working on a trailer trade. Was it matt smiths kind heart helping out another competitor. I don't believe that.

I do believe the the trailer is a curb eater, just on the length alone. I also believe you guys were aware of that, I'm pretty sure you guys was going to shortend the trailer before the trade deal came about. The cracks on the frame does not come from high centering as suggested, that brand of trailer has had those issues for a while. It is metal fatique from all the flexing that brand has going down the hiway.

When the axle came off, who's company or driver was pulling at the time and what damage happened when that came apart.

I'm sure there is damage Randy S. needs to take care of, I am not buying the whole story. I think the real story is one high performance broker wanting to hurt another high performance broker.

:popcorn:

boatfreak 03-10-2011 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by cdowns (Post 3347257)
:popcorn:

Oh Oh Oh can I have some? :drink:
Did anyone notice that we have a 3 post guy calling out a first post guy.......man this thread is getting good.

All kidding aside it seems pretty simple to me that the accused needs to pony up for a trailer.

Uncle Dave 03-10-2011 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by WTW (Post 3347233)
I do believe the the trailer is a curb eater, just on the length alone. .


Assigning "blame" to the trailer is lame.


Uncle Dave

antisocial 03-10-2011 03:57 PM

I know there must be other issues in this thread.... But if you brake it you fix it. period.....

Wild 03-10-2011 04:06 PM

The trailer left MTI a perfect "10" and got back to LOTO a "7"

That's it

Audiofn 03-10-2011 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by Uncle Dave (Post 3347347)
Assigning "blame" to the trailer is lame.


Uncle Dave

Kind of like Rosie Odonnel blaming the spoon for her fat azz!!!


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