Class 1 Cat Complete, Outerlimits Eyes V-Bottom Kilo Record
03-18-2011 | 09:33 AM
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I dont know how many boats they sell in a year but its hardly worth risking your life to sell 2-3 more.
Anyone on here with half a brain knows the setup and power isnt what is sold every day.
Think REWARD/RISK.
Re your comment about how many boats did Reggie sell by setting a record.......well Reggie is starting with a fresh slate now.....and what has he said will be in his lineup at the outset? Center Consoles.
This doesnt have to happen. Proves nothing.
OL is a great boat. Put a couple more cup holders in it, turn up the music and have a nice life.
Thats what counts.
174, 182, 191 ??? Who gives a phuck??
Anyone on here with half a brain knows the setup and power isnt what is sold every day.
Think REWARD/RISK.
Re your comment about how many boats did Reggie sell by setting a record.......well Reggie is starting with a fresh slate now.....and what has he said will be in his lineup at the outset? Center Consoles.
This doesnt have to happen. Proves nothing.
OL is a great boat. Put a couple more cup holders in it, turn up the music and have a nice life.
Thats what counts.
174, 182, 191 ??? Who gives a phuck??
03-18-2011 | 10:01 AM
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Well, I have sold MANY Fountains. New and used. The "hype" is what causes the customer to walk in the showroom. And the "local, good old boy NC" aura (sp?) is what drives LOTS of buyers. Fountain owners and OL owners are a VERY diff breed.
Matt, you're correct. A great conversation...
Matt, you're correct. A great conversation...
A lot of people, including the man himself, have criticized Reggie for all the money he spent on racing and kilo runs. (He's told me several times, always with a little laugh, that he he wishes he'd "saved" some of that money.) Could the mystique, marketing, hype (I am reading your mind, T2X, it's a nutty California thing) have been created without all that? Or less of it?
Or was it part of the business model?
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03-18-2011 | 04:54 PM
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I dont know how many boats they sell in a year but its hardly worth risking your life to sell 2-3 more.
Anyone on here with half a brain knows the setup and power isnt what is sold every day.
Think REWARD/RISK.
Re your comment about how many boats did Reggie sell by setting a record.......well Reggie is starting with a fresh slate now.....and what has he said will be in his lineup at the outset? Center Consoles.
This doesnt have to happen. Proves nothing.
OL is a great boat. Put a couple more cup holders in it, turn up the music and have a nice life.
Thats what counts.
174, 182, 191 ??? Who gives a phuck??
Anyone on here with half a brain knows the setup and power isnt what is sold every day.
Think REWARD/RISK.
Re your comment about how many boats did Reggie sell by setting a record.......well Reggie is starting with a fresh slate now.....and what has he said will be in his lineup at the outset? Center Consoles.
This doesnt have to happen. Proves nothing.
OL is a great boat. Put a couple more cup holders in it, turn up the music and have a nice life.
Thats what counts.
174, 182, 191 ??? Who gives a phuck??
Speed records are not just marketing gimmicks, the information attatined from such testing and motivation to be the best has helped make 160mph boats "average" and 100mph basically a family runabout. So while there is certain risk, there is also certain rewards. I've been in the boat at speeds of 160+ and had my eyes and hands on 2 laptops verifying the calibration, never missed a beat and never was worried. I've been in boats at 70mph where I had to pull the seat out of my ass I was so scared.
I for one think this is a great time to show engineering superiority and stop the naysayers that don't believe in the OL product.
03-18-2011 | 05:05 PM
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In other words, how many buyers walked into Fountain dealerships and said "I'm buying this boat because the brand wins offshore races?"
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I know a lot of Fountain owners. Not one has ever told me he bought his boat because Fountain holds a kilo record or Fountain boats have won a lot of offshore races.
In other words, how many buyers walked into Fountain dealerships and said "I'm buying this boat because the brand wins offshore races?"
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I know a lot of Fountain owners. Not one has ever told me he bought his boat because Fountain holds a kilo record or Fountain boats have won a lot of offshore races.
03-18-2011 | 05:10 PM
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This has turned into an interesting discussion. Here's something else to ponder: Fountain lore—and I have a lot of respect for Mr. Fountain and the brand he created—has it that offshore racing victories were an important sales tool for the company. It's the "What wins on Sunday, sells on Monday" theory.
But I have always wondered if the sales numbers directly supported that notion. How many sales did offshore racing actually produce? I'm not talking perception, which we can all argue about until we run out of breath, but hard sales numbers? In other words, how many buyers walked into Fountain dealerships and said "I'm buying this boat because the brand wins offshore races?"
You can't tell me such things aren't trackable.
My theory, for what it's worth, is Fountains were sold on "speed," and that could have happened without offshore races or kilo records. The racing and all the rest ... you'd have to prove it to me, with hard numbers, that it actually sold boats. Again, it's one thing to say it with authority. It's another to prove it.
My take is that kilo runs and offshore race victories don't sell boats. They may contribute to their mystique. But direct sales? Again, show me.
I know a lot of Fountain owners. Not one has ever told me he bought his boat because Fountain holds a kilo record or Fountain boats have won a lot of offshore races. What I've heard consistently is that they are fast for the power and present good value in a production-built offshore boat.
I know quite a few Outerlimits owners as well. They tell me their boats are fast for the power and present good value in a custom-built offshore boat. None have ever mentioned Outerlimits' P1 championship or New York City Poker Run "kilo record."
So why bother? Bragging rights.
But I have always wondered if the sales numbers directly supported that notion. How many sales did offshore racing actually produce? I'm not talking perception, which we can all argue about until we run out of breath, but hard sales numbers? In other words, how many buyers walked into Fountain dealerships and said "I'm buying this boat because the brand wins offshore races?"
You can't tell me such things aren't trackable.
My theory, for what it's worth, is Fountains were sold on "speed," and that could have happened without offshore races or kilo records. The racing and all the rest ... you'd have to prove it to me, with hard numbers, that it actually sold boats. Again, it's one thing to say it with authority. It's another to prove it.
My take is that kilo runs and offshore race victories don't sell boats. They may contribute to their mystique. But direct sales? Again, show me.
I know a lot of Fountain owners. Not one has ever told me he bought his boat because Fountain holds a kilo record or Fountain boats have won a lot of offshore races. What I've heard consistently is that they are fast for the power and present good value in a production-built offshore boat.
I know quite a few Outerlimits owners as well. They tell me their boats are fast for the power and present good value in a custom-built offshore boat. None have ever mentioned Outerlimits' P1 championship or New York City Poker Run "kilo record."
So why bother? Bragging rights.
Its my belief that sales can only be measured in percantage over long periods of time and even then, its tough to track. I personally know OL sold boats from there success in P1 racing, as did Fountain. Those were direct, but the harder to measure factor is the perceived value as well as brand recognition. This is very hard to measure or track, but believe me, it has a huge importance on sales and brand loyalty. It worked on me with Honda, when McGrath was destroying everyone in Supercross, I went and bought a CR250 just like McGrath had. I bought because Honda was destroying everyone, but really, it was McGrath and the team, etc., not just Honda.
The more we hear and see "records" and "wins" and these boats at the lake, at poker runs, at the shows, etc. we remember that and "pick" favorites sometimes without really even knowing why. So I can say I'm a firm believer in winning on sunday, taking orders on monday.
