It was a HUGE nightmare.

Yeah, you have to love the duct tape. The "First Macgyver'd Mohican"

I will say this though, I would be proud to own it. Even with all the negative past, It is an awesomelooking and am sure running machine.

just trying to put myself in your shoes at that time wondering how I would react...:rolleyes:... I can't figure out if I would be sick or ready to hunt down some peeps and proly go to jail...hope this thread didn't bring back any bad thoughts and feelings :eek:

It doesn't bring up bad memories for me. Its a good story that I'll always have to tell people. It was a life lesson for me, and that was to trust no one especially in the boating industry.

I didn't have to worry about jail, because I talked to the chief of police and let him know what was going on. He had a couple of guys at the launch ramp and at the marina.

I'd value it now that I've looked at the pictures again at about 75k.

Pappo, I was told Saturday that when sold the boat that Grady bought it back from you, is that right?

Id like to know what it felt like to ride in that machine. I bet the ride was unreal.

LOL Mike tell that story it is almost as funny

Nope, some guy in Detroit bought it, but think he was somehow mixed up with them because their name started showing up shortly after.

I was told by Bobby that he had a guy that wanted to buy the boat and it was heading immediately down to Miami and he was going to look after it in Miami. Hmmmm, wonder if that was the truth. Pretty funny that a couple weeks later it was still in Grand Haven and needed to have the cabin interior fixed. :)

Everything with this boat is sketchy. I would be very careful of the information you receive.

There are so many twist and turns to this story it needs its own weekend seminar LOL There is so much that was never told publicly

Once again Great hull for big water, great power, great drives, great paint, and at one time a great trailer oh yea GREAT STORIES LOL

Mike remember when i saw the motors on line for sale because the Grady's had not paid for them and had been stalling. Tommy was tired of trying to getting them to pay and take delivery. I found them for sale online and called Scott, All of a sudden he had someone run over and pay and pick them up because Tommy was packing them up to sell at the Miami boat show (completed boat was first promised to be displayed at that show by the way - one of many missed delivery dates LOL) wow oh wow it has been a while since I thought of these stories

Wonder who that someone was.....

Anything else you want to get me in to? :kiss:

Pat

You were the bright spot in this. You saw the handwriting on the wall before we did and were trying to help us get things done. The root of the problem was always that the Grady's were not paying the bills they were supposed to be paying (I believe including to you) that is why many parts ended up sub standard because low cost practices by Grady's. I do not even want to get into the many months long ordeals to get a mercury drive tail piece (more stalling and lack of funding) I still have the emails to Scott on this. He was stalling and lying about it

Just so everyone understands me I do not blame Pat or even Bobbie on this, we were all taken for a ride by the Grady's and sold a bill of goods in one fashion or another. There were many people behind the scenes trying to help but the line of bull coming out of so called corporate was down right criminal

From the sounds of it the boat has had some history:drink:

The boat is on my showroom and I have run it twice. It runs great!!!! There are several small cosmetic issues in the paint and the interior has had a couple repairs that are noticeable. To say the interior needs replaced might be a stretch, however if you want a 10 this is true. The motors run strong, we ran the boat to 92-93 several times and I have put around 8-10hours on it with only minor tweaking to get the idle set. We are on LOTO and it is rough, this boat takes anything the lake can throw at it with ease. The trailer is now yellow and must have been repainted. I am not making any argument to the past, just need to inform those who are not in the know that this is still an outstanding offshore machine and like mentioned before, I would be proud to own it!!!!!

Brett

Performance Boat Brokerage

would be a nice addition if all that info could be put in a file for any new owner. :lolhit:...Sounds like a lot of "history", tall tails and broken promises from the builder. I could only imagine.
I have looked at a few pics of it before and honestly never noticed it was a stepped hul :grinser010:

Well I think the interior needs replace one because it's yellow and very hot according to Brett and two it was poor workmanship. A short staggered 41 Apache with 750s runs mid 80s and a step boat with 950s can barely pull a 90,,, what's wrong with this picture. I know Brett wants to sell it and get the comission thats his job to talk it up and he should push it. The thing that attracted me to it was the paint work it is great. But after what is being said about the Gradys maybe I should stay away from "Only Rumors" also.

Agree, the interior needs to be redone. When you spend a half million and a bayliner has a better interior, its time to have it done properly.

I have an absolutely Beautiful 41 Saber for sale, she will do 100+ on pump fuel. 108 turned up running on 111 octane.

Look at all the rest, then come see what this one looks like.

What are these clowns (the builders) doing these days?

Agree also! Looked at that interior to quote about a year ago and was AMAZED at the lack of quality. Exposed staples, crooked french seams, and cheep non-laminated vinyl was just the start.

Sorry, Brett I know your trying to sell a good boat, but it was just my opinion on this.

New owner can contact me anytime. It can be fixed.

XT

It was impossible to clean. When it was delivered, I thought that I could clean it up easily, but the dirt just stains or soaks into the vinyl and there's no way to clean it.

A good marine vinyl has a superior stain gaurd treatment like "Prefixx" from Omnova, or "Permaguard" from Spradling International. They may not even have used a marine vinyl.......?

XT

I can not get over this thread. What you went through with this boat is unbelievable, you must have wanted to kill somebody.

No ****, me too. Some one would of had to get shot.
Pappo, what prompted you to have a boat built by them.

Curious, what does it run top end?

Brett says low 90s but there is a video on You Tube from back in July and the best they saw was 87-88 mph thats with 950s. I talk to a guy on Sunday with a 89 41 Apache 750s that will run mid 80s anytime with a straight bottom no steps. the bottom of that Chief is not setup right steps are to small.

mid 90s probably - ive seen it run and it throws a massive rooster tail

one of a kind boats are hard to sell, but once they do, everyone wants it -

white lightening is a perfect example - it was for sale a long time, then it sold, now its one of the most recognizable boats on LOTO

the Chief - i would own it, and be proud

Not sure I'd believe everything you hear. ;)

On a seperate note, everyone carry on with the Chief bashing!:kiss:

Boat runs in the 90's on its best day (2 to 4 foot seas) Might get a few more MPH with spacers in the drives and a differnt set of props

I to would love to own it just for running those rough water days on lake michigan here I have as much seat time in it as most and it is fun to run in the rough water. On a calm day this is just a boat, but on a rough lake Michigan day this boat is a BEAST

I do not think it is as much Chief bashing as it is calling out the owners who did Mike dirty almost from the beginning

I sold Mike the boat as I was in charge of sales when the company started One of the ideas that S. Grady had come up with (was a good one had he been able to live up to it) was to enter the boat in 5 poker runs across the country and pay for all of the transportation and entry fees for the boat so Mike just had to fly in to the event and go boating then go home. It was one of the things that interested Mike in being the first owner of the First (and Last) Mohican
Delivery of the boat missed ALL the promised events and the idea never happened once he got the boat many things I ultimately promised Mike through the Grady's direction never happened and I was watching many things come apart. I had a few more customers waiting for Mikes boat to be completed so they could go for a ride, and order a Chief themselves. Part way through the First Mohican debacle Scott G came to me and said "we need to get that second hull sold" indicating he needed the money. (This was after Mike had given us hundreds of thousands of dollars in deposit money) I told Scott i was not pushing to sell the next hull until Mikes boat was done because we were not living up to our promises to Mike and I was not closing another sale without Mikes boat delivered. Soon after it was evident the lies and deception that was going on so I backed away from the company They were not even keeping there commitments to me regarding my pay it was time to distance myself. I spent the next almost year working with Mike to get his boat after i was gone from the so called company. We enlisted Brett (DHLAW on this site) to help and Brett was instrumental in helping us make the final deal come down. even that was ugly at best

Mike and I were talking last night and figured it took him almost 2 years to get the boat We have not even scratched the surface by sharing the dirty dealings that were going on behind the scenes and the lies I was told as well as Mike was told as we were trying to get the boat completed
Mike was the guy that had stepped up with hundreds of thousands of dollars to get this boat built and the owners were making promises that they had no intention on keeping to me or to the customer (Mike)
It was not the boats fault, although it was a mess when Mike received it because they had used it for a pace boat at a boat race and had been running it in salt water and not cleaning it proper when taking it out (see pictures from first page) The boat already had many hours on it before mike got it. The blame lay's squarely on the owners, and maybe a bit on me for talking Mike into buying the boat in the first place. WE were both sold a bill of goods. The process was fun being part of something new, but soon it became a nightmare one that ultimately cost Mike the loss of a lot of money to go through this experience

Again, i too would like to own the Hull and just gutt out the cockpit and interior. I would redo the cockpit and make the interior a cover girl style
the value is in the paint, the power, the drives, and the hull bottom.

The first Mohican- You seen one You seen em all :)

Best part of the bottom of the boat is the reverse chine. The boat takes high speed turns like it is on rails

Boatme, that was a good summary of the whole deal. I remember when every week I'd call and they said it would be done the next week. I was headed out on a cruise and stopped by to see the boat and found it the same way it looked six months before. Not a person there working on it. But of course, Chief kept telling me that it would be ready next week. I ran into Pat there and he was straight with me that no work was being done on it.

The boat runs great in the rough stuff. The paint on it is still my favorite, Mitch did one heck of a job on it. Lets not forget that Mitch was expecting to get a lot of exposure with this boat. A lot of people were screwed over by these folks.

what kind of background did the Gradys have in boat building/buisness? Just curious really. Awesome boat that deserved better than this, hope to see it find its way into some good hands.

Good point, Wild. I've been on the boat and she'll run mid-90's through ANY water. I think dialed in, she'd be a 100 MPH boat. From what I can tell, the motors runs strong and I wouldn't be afraid to run them for a season. She needs some TLC to be a "10", but is a truly unique vessel that turns heads EVERYWHERE she goes.

I'd be proud to own it. All the issues & everything. I'd be the only kid on my block with one.

Not much backround but they honed their deception techniques on this deal

I will say that all of the pics that Pappo put out this week all of those things are still the same, none of that stuff has been fixed. It is a great paint job my hats off to the shop that painted it.

Mitcher T

http://www.mitchertcustompainting.com/

Crazy story on this boat for sure, but if I was a potential buyer I wouldnt give a sh*t about the past on this particular boat. Get the interior redone, the boat dialed in and you have one of the baddest, most unique wave crushers around.

Hopefully it'll stay on LOTO. :coolcowboy: