Originally Posted by TEAMBAJA (Post 3514587)

Crazy story on this boat for sure, but if I was a potential buyer I wouldnt give a sh*t about the past on this particular boat. Get the interior redone, the boat dialed in and you have one of the baddest, most unique wave crushers around.

Originally Posted by SS930 (Post 3514706)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWAUe...eature=related
:)

Originally Posted by boatme (Post 3514271)

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The first Mohican

Originally Posted by Panther (Post 3514726)

Let's hear about the boat buyer lined by from the mid-west with no credit or money but he was going to buy one for less than cost! Good deal for him! :evilb:

Originally Posted by Panther (Post 3514726)

Let's hear about the boat buyer lined by from the mid-west with no credit or money but he was going to buy one for less than cost! Good deal for him! :evilb:

Originally Posted by pappo (Post 3514829)

I'm just waiting for Panther to reply with a translation to his post to make sure I understand what he's trying to say before I reply.

Originally Posted by boatme (Post 3514271)

I do not think it is as much Chief bashing as it is calling out the owners who did Mike dirty almost from the beginning

I sold Mike the boat as I was in charge of sales when the company started One of the ideas that S. Grady had come up with (was a good one had he been able to live up to it) was to enter the boat in 5 poker runs across the country and pay for all of the transportation and entry fees for the boat so Mike just had to fly in to the event and go boating then go home. It was one of the things that interested Mike in being the first owner of the First (and Last) Mohican
Delivery of the boat missed ALL the promised events and the idea never happened once he got the boat many things I ultimately promised Mike through the Grady's direction never happened and I was watching many things come apart. I had a few more customers waiting for Mikes boat to be completed so they could go for a ride, and order a Chief themselves. Part way through the First Mohican debacle Scott G came to me and said "we need to get that second hull sold" indicating he needed the money. (This was after Mike had given us hundreds of thousands of dollars in deposit money) I told Scott i was not pushing to sell the next hull until Mikes boat was done because we were not living up to our promises to Mike and I was not closing another sale without Mikes boat delivered. Soon after it was evident the lies and deception that was going on so I backed away from the company They were not even keeping there commitments to me regarding my pay it was time to distance myself. I spent the next almost year working with Mike to get his boat after i was gone from the so called company. We enlisted Brett (DHLAW on this site) to help and Brett was instrumental in helping us make the final deal come down. even that was ugly at best

Mike and I were talking last night and figured it took him almost 2 years to get the boat We have not even scratched the surface by sharing the dirty dealings that were going on behind the scenes and the lies I was told as well as Mike was told as we were trying to get the boat completed
Mike was the guy that had stepped up with hundreds of thousands of dollars to get this boat built and the owners were making promises that they had no intention on keeping to me or to the customer (Mike)
It was not the boats fault, although it was a mess when Mike received it because they had used it for a pace boat at a boat race and had been running it in salt water and not cleaning it proper when taking it out (see pictures from first page) The boat already had many hours on it before mike got it. The blame lay's squarely on the owners, and maybe a bit on me for talking Mike into buying the boat in the first place. WE were both sold a bill of goods. The process was fun being part of something new, but soon it became a nightmare one that ultimately cost Mike the loss of a lot of money to go through this experience

Again, i too would like to own the Hull and just gutt out the cockpit and interior. I would redo the cockpit and make the interior a cover girl style
the value is in the paint, the power, the drives, and the hull bottom.

The first Mohican- You seen one You seen em all :)

Originally Posted by pappo (Post 3514717)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAAX-...eature=related

Anyone know someone I can talk to about getting this setup. Would be a fun winter project?

Originally Posted by sean stinson (Post 3514859)

I wonder if I should add my spin on this as well Marc?? Look at the end of the day I would accept all of the assets of the company and bring Marc and Bobby back into the deal fix the bottom and go back into the manufacture of this boat it truly was a great vision when it was master minded which I was involved in but at the end of the day money or the lack there of was what destroyed this whole deal!!!:food-smiley-007::food-smiley-007::food-smiley-007::food-smiley-007::food-smiley-007:

Originally Posted by Panther (Post 3514726)

Let's hear about the boat buyer lined by from the mid-west with no credit or money but he was going to buy one for less than cost! Good deal for him! :evilb:

Originally Posted by boatme (Post 3514959)

So enlighten us since you seem to know somthing that those of us DIRECTLY involved have no idea what you are talking about

Originally Posted by boatme (Post 3514957)

Sean

Go ahead, I forgot you were involved with this before me. You have better insight to this mess than i do as to how it started and when the wheels fell off for you. You got the first peek at the nightmare that was ahead of the rest of us

Give me a call some time my friend it is about time we catch up :)

Originally Posted by pappo (Post 3501500)

Man, I wish I had money troubles and didn't buy that boat!

Hands down, the worst transaction I've ever had. I will be forever indebted to DHLAW who helped me get my hands on it and never charged me a dime. By the time I got the boat, my life had moved on and I was flying to Europe every week but still managed to use it on some weekends and even made it to a couple of poker runs.

You can see lots of threads on here that detail the ugliness of the whole thing, so there's no sense in rehashing it. It does make for one hell of a story, wouldn't you agree Boatme and Bobby?

I decided to get rid of it when the cops here in Grand Haven became real jerks giving me tickets for noise and having to go to court. Spent about 5k trying to muffle it, but it still wouldn't pass their test. It sucked when you're only home on the weekends and cops force you to take the boat out of the water. This used to be one of the great places for offshore boats, but now you rarely see one.

I don't know how many owners there have been after me.

--Mike

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 3515046)

So, since everyone is coming clean.....


What year was that hull actually pulled from the mold?

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Originally Posted by dhlaw (Post 3515043)

Thanks for the kind words. I think all of our lives have kinda moved on. I have always done everything I can to help fellow OSO members when able. I hope that all is well with you.

Brett

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 3515046)

So, since everyone is coming clean.....


What year was that hull actually pulled from the mold?

:party-smiley-004::drink:

Originally Posted by 78CIG24 (Post 3515067)

The rumor I heard was 1938......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaH8MkZPNaM

Originally Posted by 78CIG24 (Post 3515067)

The rumor I heard was 1938......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaH8MkZPNaM

Originally Posted by sean stinson (Post 3515054)

Not when they say it was!!!! lets try somewhere around the turn of the century but in all probability late 90's

Originally Posted by richanton (Post 3515089)

Are you kidding me, late 90's? And it was sold as an 06?

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 3515046)

So, since everyone is coming clean.....


What year was that hull actually pulled from the mold?

:party-smiley-004::drink:

Originally Posted by sean stinson (Post 3515070)

I dont think the actual builder would like being compared to Mickey Mouse boat building as he is a very reputable boat builder

Originally Posted by BRT (Post 3515128)

What happened to the other hull(s) that were in storage?

Originally Posted by pappo (Post 3515162)

The real builder of the boat is a very reputable gentleman. The whole problem was you had an under-capitalized company trying to be bigger than it was. First snafu that came along and they were out of money. I can only imagine that it was hard to build it right if there was no money to do so.

The major thing I have with the whole deal was that they never owned up to their issues or problems. It was always some wild story about how this company was delaying them or how that company couldn't deliver. I have hundreds of emails from the guys and I actually was reading through them today. I'm saving it for a book when I get old and need something to do over the winter.

If they would have been up front with me I would have worked with them. After all, what's the cost of capital on about 300k over 2 years? I would have brought some extra cash to the table to get it done instead of losing 2 years of boating. We could have come to some agreement for exchange in stock or sale of a next boat.

Instead, they chose the road of deception and killed it for everyone.

Originally Posted by 78CIG24 (Post 3515118)

No offense ever intended to any reputable builder, I have nothing but respect for those that do it "right".

I must have missed the parts about them in this thread,....still in shock from all I have read about this full bird cluster frack.

BUT, hopefully they have a sense of humor too, it was only intended as a light hearted joke in the context of 85% of this thread!!

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