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spk1 10-17-2011 05:50 PM

Who is Still making a non stepped hull?
 
I know sutphen and the 30 cig mystique are straight.

I have a customer looking for a very nice non stepped boat
32-38ft range 502-496 mercruiser stock for power. He wants something he can tow with a single rear wheel 3/4 ton.

Im curious who is making new ones, and who has some nice used rigs on the market.

Pismo10 10-17-2011 05:52 PM

Pantera

wrinkleface 10-17-2011 05:53 PM

Velocity

mikebrls 10-17-2011 05:54 PM

most custom builder just put an insert in the non step hull's to make step's " cheaper then making complete new mold's , i think most custom builder's can take the insert out of there molds to make a non step bottom boat . if that's what you want

mike

Craney 10-17-2011 05:54 PM

Baja

PARADOX 10-17-2011 06:04 PM

:) My Avanti. A true, original, classic nonstep boat, w/525's. I got an Avalanche (K1500) towed it all over FLA. 140K.

OL40SVX 10-17-2011 06:12 PM

Call the Sutphen factory. They have a beautiful all red 31 hull and deck sitting there ready to be rigged. It's a twin setup as well. In my opinion the best straight bottoms out there. Why doesn't he want steps?

andyt25 10-17-2011 06:13 PM

sonic 31 and 35 are both straight bottom and can be towed with a single rear 2500

eddie 10-17-2011 06:29 PM

NRG they have the Profile molds, just got done with a 30' with TAOD paint. Has a single 496 in it. I can get you more details on it if your interested.

Sydwayz 10-17-2011 06:30 PM

We have the tooling to build the 28, 33, and 37 Active Thunders as a straight bottom; if desired.

A.O. Razor 10-17-2011 06:38 PM

Why?

Stormrider 10-17-2011 06:48 PM

Saber is another that comes to mind.

Velocity Tom 10-17-2011 07:07 PM

You want fast buy a velocity. 390 2x 496 mag ho,s 425 hp 79mph.

Chuck 10-17-2011 07:36 PM

Sonic models. www.sonicusaboats.com

BGIII 10-17-2011 08:12 PM

Saber makes a straight bottom 34. It's a very nice boat.

http://photobucket.com/saber34enforcer

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/...nforcer/34.jpg

Too Stroked 10-17-2011 08:16 PM

Progression

Steve 1 10-17-2011 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 3529624)
We have the tooling to build the 28, 33, and 37 Active Thunders as a straight bottom; if desired.

Yes I was just going to say Pat at AT and Pepe at Pantera.

omerta one 10-17-2011 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by A.O. Razor (Post 3529635)
Why?

X2?

redbud35 10-17-2011 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=eddie;3529623]NRG they have the Profile molds, just got done with a 30' with TAOD paint. Has a single 496 in it. I can get you more details on it if your interested.[/
Why a single in a 30'? That's got to be a dog!

offshorexcursion 10-17-2011 08:56 PM

CHECKMATE makes a really nice single engine 30ft convincer. There are a lot of nice boats listed but bang for the buck checkmate offers alot.
http://www.kunkelsmarine.com/2004-ch...convincor-300/

paul buckner 10-18-2011 03:07 AM


Originally Posted by BGIII (Post 3529748)

Just love the lines of this boat .perfect from every angle. allso Pantera make a great straight and stepped boats in your range ,

Dan Adams 10-18-2011 06:35 AM

Saber ! !
 
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One of the best

Boxer 10-18-2011 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by OL40SVX (Post 3529612)
Call the Sutphen factory. They have a beautiful all red 31 hull and deck sitting there ready to be rigged. It's a twin setup as well. In my opinion the best straight bottoms out there. Why doesn't he want steps?

The best running rough water straitbottom Vhull is the Sutphen. Would easily run in the mid 80's with 2 small blocks or 2 425's. Walter Collins, in his 39 Sutphen won class 3 in the OPA worlds. Richie Sutphen's factory number is 239-574-1155.

TeamSaris 10-18-2011 08:04 AM

Velocity, Progression and Sutphen

Nauti Kitty 10-18-2011 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by Boxer (Post 3530038)
The best running rough water straitbottom Vhull is the Sutphen. Would easily run in the mid 80's with 2 small blocks or 2 425's. Walter Collins, in his 39 Sutphen won class 3 in the OPA worlds. Richie Sutphen's factory number is 239-574-1155.

Just because they win a race doesnt mean they are the "the best running rough water straight bottom"
Really? How many 38-41' straight bottom boats have you been in in really rough water?

NK

wrinkleface 10-18-2011 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by Dan Adams (Post 3530011)
One of the best

Damn, what an ugly mutt in that pic!!!!!:grinser010::evilb:

BLee 10-18-2011 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by spk1 (Post 3529581)
I know sutphen and the 30 cig mystique are straight.

The 30 Cigarette Mystique is a Twin Step bottom now. You'd have to find a used one to get the straight bottom version, or have Cigarette custom build one to spec for your customer.

shaun harrington 10-18-2011 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by Nauti Kitty (Post 3530103)
Just because they win a race doesnt mean they are the "the best running rough water straight bottom"
Really? How many 38-41' straight bottom boats have you been in in really rough water?

NK

Maybe you should look back to the days when there were no steps , or even to the early days of steps, Richie Sutphen held the kilo record and his boats dominated most classes the ran in !

Baja555 10-18-2011 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by mikebrls (Post 3529588)
most custom builder just put an insert in the non step hull's to make step's " cheaper then making complete new mold's , i think most custom builder's can take the insert out of there molds to make a non step bottom boat . if that's what you want

mike

Huh?

Catmando 10-18-2011 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by Baja555 (Post 3530512)
Huh?

I thought he was very clear. What didn't you understand??

Nauti Kitty 10-18-2011 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by shaun harrington (Post 3530505)
Maybe you should look back to the days when there were no steps , or even to the early days of steps, Richie Sutphen held the kilo record and his boats dominated most classes the ran in !

Fountains have won more races than any other v bottom boat builders ever Does that make them the best rough water stepped hull boats ever?
How does a kilo record translate into real everyday rough water ride?

NK

Sydwayz 10-18-2011 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by mikebrls (Post 3529588)
most custom builder just put an insert in the non step hull's to make step's " cheaper then making complete new mold's , i think most custom builder's can take the insert out of there molds to make a non step bottom boat . if that's what you want

mike

For the record, I can only confirm one buidler that does this. There may be more, but I've never heard of such.

The advantage of this setup for us is we can tune each boat's step as needed based on options, power, and purchase purpose.

OL40SVX 10-18-2011 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by Nauti Kitty (Post 3530613)
Fountains have won more races than any other v bottom boat builders ever Does that make them the best rough water stepped hull boats ever?
How does a kilo record translate into real everyday rough water ride?

NK

Back in the day 80's early 90's. The Sutphen is the fastest best riding and handling non step boat for the power. Any water you could run you old saber in or 41 Apache you could run TKO in.

JRider 10-18-2011 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by omerta one (Post 3529775)
X2?


Originally Posted by A.O. Razor (Post 3529635)
Why?

Well...stepped hulls have a tendancy to spin out easier than a traditional. Some are more likely to than others. I am no expert by any means but a stepped hull may or may not run faster (if not engineered or designed properly). Is it worth the tradeoff for a few MPH? Velocity does not seem to think so. Like I said, I am no expert and I in no way bashing stepped hulls.

mikebrls 10-18-2011 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 3530618)
For the record, I can only confirm one buidler that does this. There may be more, but I've never heard of such.

The advantage of this setup for us is we can tune each boat's step as needed based on options, power, and purchase purpose.

there are few other builder's that can do this that have been mentioned on this thread already other then A.T.

IT'S just like some builder's will put a dam in a bigger boat to make a smaller version of it instead of building a whole new mold from scratch . it's a lot easier and cheaper this way unless you are mass producing boat's and not to many builder's are doing that .

mike

Nauti Kitty 10-18-2011 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by OL40SVX (Post 3530639)
Back in the day 80's early 90's. The Sutphen is the fastest best riding and handling non step boat for the power. Any water you could run you old saber in or 41 Apache you could run TKO in.

I didnt make any comment about other v bottoms other than to question someones opinion so I will ask you how many Apaches and 39 Sutphens with equal power you have had the opportinity to run in really rough water?

NK

OL40SVX 10-18-2011 07:52 PM

[QUOTE=Nauti Kitty;3530718]I didnt make any comment about other v bottoms other than to question someones opinion so I will ask you how many Apaches and 39 Sutphens with equal power you have had the opportinity to run in really rough water?

NK[/

I have not but have seen TkO and a Apache race in a good chop and the Apache had nothing for it. Boxer who made the comment has been racing Sutphen for over ten years and has run TkO and with many big Sutphen's in rough water.

Nauti Kitty 10-18-2011 08:02 PM

OK
How about we agree that there is more than one good rough water boat?

NK

OL40SVX 10-18-2011 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by Nauti Kitty (Post 3530801)
OK
How about we agree that there is more than one good rough water boat?

NK

There are alot of good rough water boats with and without steps.

Nauti Kitty 10-18-2011 08:20 PM

Agreed

NK


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