few more of the 33' Cougar

Dr. Bob out of Chicago restored this 38' Cougar a few years ago. He had options also to buy any boat he would like.

I'm guessing he had a very good reason for going this route.

May not be the fastest boat,..........but a great rough water boat.


Jon

Check out the ghosting in the paint too ( Cougar head )

Dr. Bob is a heck of a guy and does everything first class.

And nooo it's not forsale :drink:


Jon

this boat is great and must be very fast with those bbc in it :)

That's not correct.

Both are sweet Cougars Jon
way to bring the thread back to the topic at hand

NK

Maybe because its the prettiest darn boat as it is just sitting at the dock.

Its funny Steave Stepp is one of the people not makeing a nonstep hull. (Velocity)

Our V-Hull boats are all flat hulls. We have a 30' just back from painting at TAOD and a 38' that is just out of glass shop.

If you have any interest or would like to have additional information, just let me know.

Jim

how about a 37 outerlimits single step? it acts as if it were a straight bottom up until about 70 mph or so, you get the best of both worlds, fast top end and great cruising speed with wave crushing abilities, also has a large cabin and don't forget about resale. if you really don't want steps then i would have to say a 38 cig or velocity. i have all of the above and they all run around the century mark, they are each unique in their own way but all great boats. i have been at 100 mph in the cig in 4-5's and would have a hard time finding the negative in that boat, flew straight as an arrow and landed silky smooth every time. the velocity runs about the same but with much less hp, like 700 less ponies. it is a race boat so that really isn't a fair comparison but it will crush waves with the best of them. there is no such thing as "too rough" for that boat or the other two for that matter. as for one boat on a poker run or the circuit running away from the others i would have to say that 90% of it goes to the driver.

While I agree with what you're saying about the 37 OL, people are typically pretty polarized in their beliefs... If someone doesn't want to open their mind up to the fact that there's a good reason the market in general has gone to stepped bottom boats, chances are you aren't going to change that person's mind at this point.

IMO, steps obviously offer a lot more efficiency, give up almost nothing in the rough, and I'm yet to see any handling issues with my 37 OL... Although I've never tried or even understood why someone would want to make a sharp 110mph 90° turn in open water either! So yes, I can't imagine intentionally ruling out a stepped boat. In fact, I can't imagine wanting a straight bottomed boat if given the option! But that's just me...

Well, there's a few of us fossils left that don't give a hoot about steps.

In all speed range or only at top end?

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All speed ranges without question. And Jon those originial 46 Cougars are pretty cool!!

I'd say at any significant speed range, such as on plane and up.

I've always regarded steps as applied to V-hulls with some trepidation. I can appreciate that if properly designed and integrated into the hull, they will increase efficiency while retaining stability. I just can't seem to shake the notion (or unfounded superstition, depending on your perspective) that a traditional running surface is more predictable in its operating tendencies.

Were I to purchase a new offshore boat, I would err on the side of caution and select a straight hull. I've always admired the design philosophy of Sutphen, and particularly like the specification of their 400 Defender.

It all boils down (eventually) to a matter of personal preference, and one can't justifiably be knocked in favor of the other, all things considered (everyone loves a neutral stance don't they?).

Sorry for off topic, but I am over-inquisitive;

What happen with hull efficiency if you have two virtual super light boats with 30 ft, 3.500 lb and more than 400 bhp . Boat with excelent selected surface drives, prop etc and
- one with properly steps
- other with properly padd kel
Forget stability... I am curious only round of efficiency.

Saber! 989-233-0878. www.saberboats.com

Thanks,..............Still working on it

Can't wait till it's done! :drink:



Jon

First of all love the Cougars. I have to say I constantly am hearing from the same Sutphen cheerleaders about how they are the best and have more race wins then everyone else blah blah blah. Now I have to say when I was a kid I always liked the Sutphen look, although I also thought my acid washed jeans, Reebok's and mullet where cool at the same time:drink: I just don't understand how these boats have become the best kept secret in boating with the ride being second to none. When I look for a new boat my criteria is 1. do I like it? 2. Will it do the things I am looking for? 3. what will the resale be? Will it hold up to the style of boating I do? 4. can I afford it? I however don't care if someone broke a record or if some stripped down version with the best parts with a pro driver won a race with it. I love how a few state their opinion and argue it like it was a fact. Get over yourselves. The other thing that blows me away is how fast everyones boat goes and how fast they are in rough water but it never seems to happen when anyone is around.

Hey watch the mullet comments! My buddy with the Activethunder still sports one. :grinser010:

Really? my buddy with the Active Thunder has one too......

Ya not kidding. Must be a "cult" thing. :lolhit:

Isn't that a cult thing like CIGs and Gold Chains???

Hmmmm...wonder what all the Fountain guys accessorize with...

Nevermind, I think I know...

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...uGGZlqAMoFTSzg

"Ha-cha-cha-cha"

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the only way you are going to find the right boat for yourself is get in and go for a ride in all different models. i'm sure if you ask around there are people more than willing to take you for a ride, myself included. if you ever come to the buffalo ny area i would be happy to help you make a decision and take you for a ride. start with the basics and number one on my list would be "looks." if you don't like the way the boat looks, i'm sure you don't want it no matter how it preforms. it's like being single, walking into a bar and saying to your buddy "check out that fat chick, she's probably got a great personality". NOPE.. if she's not a looker in your opinion you're probably not going any further

Hahahahaha! .....true:drink:

Hey 4195, I clearly stated earlier in this blog (39' Sutphen) that I would go out with any one, in any water and I am sure I will keep up (comparable boat/power of course). I am not stating an opinion and arguing it like it was a fact. I am done for this season, but remember this for next season. I am in MA. so your not far away. Your welcome up here any time.

Pat just cut his mullet off 2 weeks ago.
Everyone else will follow soonest. :lolhit:

Comparable boat, comparable power. Im not sure 4195's stepped Tiger and your 39 Sutphen are comparable as far as hull design goes. If he had a 38 TG flat bottom, thats comparable I think.....

Okay big guy bring that boat down here to Long Island sound and we will run the boats to Block and back or Montauk and back to the river. For the record I did not say anything about my boat being the fastest or the best in rough water but know that you have thrown down a challenge I say bring it on. By the way make sure you re up your Tow Boat US membership cause I am not bringing you in. I only wish I still had my Cafe for this run I would make you feel even worse.

Oh yeah you said comparible boat in size and power correct?? 42 with little motors running just a hair over 600 hp. I think this should work right?

Whoa 4195, you get fired up easy don't you? I didn't say anything about being the fastest or best either. I was referring to 2 points made in this blog (which by the way started with some body asking a pretty simple question about who still makes non stepped bottoms?). One: that a Sutphen is great big water boat. So, that is where I was coming from. No bragging, just fact. We can go out in any water that makes sense (obviously I am not suicidal and looking for the next storm to boat in) and run pretty close to flat out. Two: the reference that implied the Sutphen guys say we run "X speed" in "X water". I didn't see where that was mentioned and just wanted to point out that I had already said I would go out and show whoever questioned the capability of a Sutphen.
Now I have to ask why should I come to you when you are questioning me? The south side of the Cape in the summer is pretty much trash all the time. Ask the sanctioning bodies that tried 2 straight years to run a race there. If I remember one year they cut the laps in half and the next year they cut the laps down and canceled the smaller classes. Never came back! So, lets just go there. And by comparable boats I meant all v bottoms in comparable length and power.................in this case 38'-42'.

Benjen
What setup do you have in your sutphen if you dont mind me asking Power side by side ect. Just curious, this has nothing to do with any challenges or opinions.
NK

No problem. Side by side power, although I certainly wish they were staggered. Blower motors around 1000 hp and no 6drives

When you say the water is trash, you talkin 2 to 4's or 4 to 6's or bigger? I hear stories of pleasure boaters on here all the time say they run 80+ in 6 foot seas. Im not sayin you, but lots dont know how big /deep a 6 7 or 8 foot sea is IMO...... I LOVE the 31 ft Boxer boat, but hes on here sayin he runs WFO in 8 ft seas blowing away 42Tigers with 1200's and 40 OL with 1200's...in big water. So to alot of people it sounds alittle far fetched. Again, I know the Boxer boat and have seen it may times, its cool as sh!t and I know its fast. But we've all been hearing some tall tales from Sutphen guys lately. I mean if what hes sayin is true, then hes also kickin the crap out of your 39 with 1000HP blower motors too, right? In 8 footers?....Now Im not speaking for 4195 here, but I think the Super Sutphen talk finally made him snap, there has been alot of Sutphen smack talkin on AND OFF the boards lately because of these super accomplishments that only Sutphens are achieving. With that being said and Sutphen being the best flat bottom boat made...who's got one for sale? I want one!

Kreed Thats exactly why I commented at all but rereading benjens post I see he wrote a sutphen is A great rough water boat. That to me is completely different and it would be fun to see these two have a freindly run against each other. Totally different in my eyes than what was said emphatically earlier in the thread by others.

Sounds like a great ride BenJen

NK

His boat has #6's that will last and was from CT originally that used to kick everyone's a** down here! Kenny M's. boat. Frank, dont even think your Cafe could run with that 39 with 900's. Also im pretty sure none of you(ie Frank and Kevin) have never actually been in a Sutphen, Jeff doesnt count, with someone that knows what they're doing besides Nauti Kitty, cause he owned one.

Ok, truthfully I was getting a bit fed up with this back and forth bull and thought I would just go back to my old ways of just reading, but not posting. But, since I am in this one I will answer Kreed's question as best I can. A normal summer day boating in the water south of Cape Cod is, in MY opinion 2 to 3 footers. 3 to 4 is certainly not out of the question. This is absolute crap, chop coming at you in an ever changing direction, not nice "rollers". It certainly is not unusual to leave in this kind of water and get caught on the return trip in bigger stuff. 6 foot? I don't know that is really big. I believe I have been caught in water that big and to a point the faster you go the better. But, wide open throttle, no.
NK, thanks you seem to read what I write the way I do mean it. Thanks again for the positive comments and yes the Sutphen is a nice ride.

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