I don't work for Outerlimits, I've just had a few of their boats...

I have no reservation running 80+ in 3-4s from KW to Miami....I do it here on 40 mile runs all the time in the North-East...

I never took the inside to KW, running on the Ocean side was more fun...

You like nor-tech, great, the 42 GLASS Bottom Legacy is one of the best wave crushing boats with steps they make...so I'm not bashing them (nor-tech), I'm just saying, you have a nor-tech, I have an outer limits, I feel my boat will and can do anything yours will at the same comfort level.

It's a design flaw in the design because they did exactly that, I know where they cracked, the front section....

IT IS A FLAW..no matter how you slice it..

Cig stepped to the plate and sent me new tanks, I have nothing bad to say, but don't say it's anything but that..you put tanks in a boat and push the limits of what you can fit...and it cracks, because of the "design"....

Jesus you can't say anything here without absolutely everything being said attacked.

We're all boaters, we all are a dying breed in this sport...because the sport is suffering heavily from financial woes...why does everything have to be some kind of attack. I find it more often than not with Outerlimits than other brands...

Apparently unless you're on everyone else's side with just about everything, you cannot even comment. I like Apache, Cigarette, I'm just saying, if you want speed, and comfort, great..this is basically a pissing contest about which brand is better because each owner has some bone to pick with the others. You own what you own, I own what I own, in an Outerlimits thread, I'm going to support them, I own one because I've pushed it to the limit and it has done everything I can throw at it.

I'm not a calm water runner, I've never turned around because of rough seas...and I've been out in some pretty hairy stuff...I'm glad a straight bottom runs better, but I prefer to run faster with the same power, in comfort than others...IN THE SAME SEAS...

I had a straight bottom, Stepped is the evolution and OL does it right...get over the lets attack every goddamn thing about them...

dude, breathe...im not attacking you.. at least in my opinion its not a design flaw if only some of them crack, it could have been bad metal or welds from the tank company. Crane had some bad cam cores a few years ago, doesn't mean the design was bad. Boats also delam, doesnt make it a bad design, just bad layup...

No matter what anything man made can have issues, I'm glad Cig stepped up for you, may not have been a home-run for cig.. but my 2000 is still tight as a nuns C :D

How about bladders in Ol's? Like I said before, no one boat builder is perfect.

or the tanks in skaters.... I know...:coolcowboy:

Only handful's of OL had bladders. It was a customer option, not standard. You have an issue with bladders contact ATL not Outerlimits.

:coolcowboy:Man, is this thread a train wreck or what!:lolhit: Yikes!:drink:

Time to start a thread about Konrad? :party-smiley-004:



Hi Curt

NK

Now that's what I call customer service.

Dan Call me When you can!

It's pompous/egotistical responses like these that entice people to attack OL. Stating facts or not, you come off very abrasive as if OL does nothing wrong past or present. You don't take criticism well and that is why everyone is dishing it back. Just my opinion take it for what it's worth.

The bladders werent designed for Ethanol fuels. How is that Outerlimits fault? Nobody could of predicted what would happen with the fuel. We will most certainly help the customer in any way we can in fixing their issues if they have a bladder, but if you have complaints about the tanks send them to the manufactures themselves. We have done quite a few replacements and its really not that bad. ATL does have newly designed bladders that are capable to handle Ethonol fuel. Anyone can call the factory and talk to myself if they have an issue.

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Heard 1st hand one 399 ran so crappy all the test time in the world wouldn't make it run right. Also remember YP saying it got uncontrollable at 120 twice During shootout?

Why? I have critiqued what I've owned, objectively I think. Why be a flag waver?

Part of the beauty of this place is to get feedback on boats and accessories, if you aren't honest about the appraisal of the things you own then you're just misleading members and giving false information right?

Hats off to Mike Fiore! I can only assume that Don would be proud. 250+ post in 4 days.

Don didn't (from what I read and having never met the man) build boats, he build companies that built boats. To build companies or business - you had better get people talking about your product however you can, especially, today.

Good job Outerlimits!

So what your saying is that when Toyota had the whole "gas pedal" dilemma a few years ago it wasn't toyota's fault but the floor mat companies fault? Hmmm gotchya

As an integrator OL is responsible for everything it puts in it's boats. They should have done there homework.

I don't know if it has been said before,... WOW.. arogant comments like these only hurt OL in the long run. If it's the customers option or not like you state...it is the companies responsibility to make sure the product that they offer is suitable over the long haul....Man, you just don't get it..it's all about the service after the fact...it's called long term job security....for you and everyone employed at OL. Think before you speak. I am shocked that Mike let's an employee represent HIS company in this matter...Jeff

No one knew the impact that Ethanol would of had on the fuel bladders or fiberglass resin tanks. I've talked to every customer if they have a bladder issue or had one. That post was directed to Paul since he has an issue with bladders. Thats why I quoted his post.

Time for a commercial break. :drink::drink::drink::drink:

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Dan, I don't have an issue with bladders, but heard that ther were multiple boats down because of it and was merely pointing out that no one boat builder is without flaws.

How did Skater handle all the issues they had and continue to have with their fuel tanks as a result of ethanol. Did Skater pay for the repairs or chaarge the customer. Was it Outerlimits and skaters fault that the govt mandated the use of ethanol.

The boats if they have an issue, yes would be down for a few week repair. And yes not every boat is perfect. None of the new vee bottoms have a bladder as the fuel tank is either aluminum or integrated with the hull.

Just curious but how exactly do you integrate a tank into the hull?

That's great and good to know. Thank you.

And when we looked at ordering one for an interested customer when they first came out Pete told us that the first one (a race boat) was running 110-115 with 525s, who am I going to believe you or Peter? C'mon Jay :lolhit:

I'm not speaking for mike, but I don't think mike cares too much about OSO. He has a quality product that he continues to improve, always at the forefront of technology, and continues to have new boat sales. OSO represents a very small portion of the high performance industry and even smaller portion of people with the capabilities of purchasing a new OL. This is not to say Dan doesn't need PR help, because he certainly does, Dan call Jess... She'll help you out... But OL hasn't suffered since dans joined.

It's part of the monocoque grid system that Outerlimits utilizes in the 43/44 hulls. The grid is typically made out of carbon then coated with ethonal resistant resins to enhance durability.

This guy works for OL? Wow......absolutely wouldn't allow that if I was Mike. Maybe Mike doesn't know?

Dont know that answer, but Im sure you do...LOL...Let me ask this... why dont you hear any problems from other quality companies, like NT, Sunsation, AT, Hustler...etc.. where the lightest piece of equipment used = a faster speed..is not that important approach to them...these other companies I listed feel are giving customers something that has always worked..dont change it rule of thumb..somewhat old school...and ok by the masses..where OL...is always pushing the envelope, speed is priority one...nothing wrong with that at all in my book...my point is simple, stand behind it. No excuses..if you are told this is one of the best technical laid up boats out there, ...do as you represent. Jeff

I drove one at 132 and it was so amazingly smooth I could have taken my hands off the wheel

NK

Disagree. Bad press is bad press and OSO is the offshore king of websites.

I disagree 100%...How would you know anything about what is important to sales of OL.Do you work there....Do you have a marketing background...have you talked with Mike personally..C'mon man...Jeff

on a side note that Super Legarra in the classifieds with the teak floor is stunning. Someone ive always admired on here that does a great job with customer relations is Ssalesmanship. If i was ever to get back into the boat buisnaess i would love to ick Terrys brain he handles himself with class.

No Jeff, I have no idea how Ol handles the tank issue. The 3 Ols that I have owned had aluminum tanks with no issues. I will tell you the 1st OL that I bought had some issues in the cabin where the glue turned the upholstery different colors. With no questions asked Mike took the boat back and replaced the entire cabin upholstery at no charge. So do not hurt your stomach with your LOL!!!

Terry is a class act!

Agree, a good representation for NorTech...and nuetral when it comes to sales..not putting down another company, and showing you the benefits that NT has to offer..they will tell you upfront..they will never be the fastest..but what they lack in speed, they make up in ride, the service is excellent, and make you feel that you bought a great boat at a fair price. When I was sick, Terry and the NT crew went out of their way, sent me flowers, and encouragements,.. and many months later a Christmas card. Class act all the way.

Bottom line is OL certaianly builds a one a kind boat, and my hat is off to them for perservering through these tough times. As for Dan, its sounds like hes a young enough guy to learn and like a said in my previous post. Next boat show, poker run etc etc. Take some time to talk to some of the other customer service guys from other companys. competion or not there is a tremendous amount to learn. good luck Dan

I'll answer one by one. I know how many new boats are moving and used ones they are moving, no prices mentioned. How do I know? Very good friends with dan, we speak often. I never worked there, went to school in the same town, spent a good amount of time there. No marketing background, but Dan does!! I do not speak to mike personally, but I would when I saw him at the shop. He's a great guy and I can't say a bad word about him. Lastly, I don't need a marketing background, have to talk to mike, or work there. It's my opinion. I'm not stating facts, just like you and everyone else on this thread. OPINIONS.

Johnny, believe Peter. I could care less. Fact is, you don't know
If 115 with 525's is true or not ( neither do I ). What I do know
your saying is the 399 skater is faster than the 42 fountain raceboat with 525's, which I do not believe. That's my
Opinion of course. Fountain guys, WELCOME!

Phantomchoas, commercial break?

You guys are like a bunch of old women :eek: