Warpaint Crash Pics
11-14-2011 | 10:53 AM
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Incredible shots, Jim. Which boat were you on?
11-14-2011 | 11:30 AM
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And to just think this was just a stuffing!!
Glad you guys are ok and will be back in the future.
Not to be insensitive but how bad were the canopy failures in the two other major accidents. You now have to consider flipping and landing like BTM backwards and upside down. I remember Cat Can Do doing the same kind of flip and only losing the sponson tip and race hatches during the Kilo run in NC back in 99' or 00'
http://youtu.be/9W_MslE5ntE
Glad you guys are ok and will be back in the future.
Not to be insensitive but how bad were the canopy failures in the two other major accidents. You now have to consider flipping and landing like BTM backwards and upside down. I remember Cat Can Do doing the same kind of flip and only losing the sponson tip and race hatches during the Kilo run in NC back in 99' or 00'
http://youtu.be/9W_MslE5ntE
11-14-2011 | 11:33 AM
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My personal opinion as an engineer is to stop looking at the canopy of the boat for safety designs and the boats outer hull as a safety control. Look to seperate internal structure under the canopy, occupant restraint systems and better extraction structure to allow quick exit or retrieval of the racers when the boat is upsidedown or sinking. Have you ever seen a race car without a roll cage?!!! Why do high speed car racers use Hans devices?!!! How long can an injured or unconcious racer breathe under water?!!! Lastly , lets not forget to incorporate this type of safety construction and features in the recreational boats who are capable of the same speeds and potential damage and injury!! Its only a matter of time when this type of tragedy will strike again in the recreational scene!
Another post was started today with commentary from a Miami Florida newspaper on banning this type of boat racing.
This is a warning shot over the bow! Our industry must get moving quickly on this need!
Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar
Another post was started today with commentary from a Miami Florida newspaper on banning this type of boat racing.
This is a warning shot over the bow! Our industry must get moving quickly on this need!
Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar
Full face helmets, air masks, Hans Devices and full race suits go a long way in protecting yourself flying around IN the canopy/racecar....despite wearing 5 or 6 point racing harnesses that keeps just your torso in the seat... limbs & head are all free to fly wherever.
And all these safetydevices are relatively cheap plus not much mods needed on the boats.
I've been touting for these for years. Never had a problem to adapt to a Hans device for example. Especially after watching some crash videos without one.... would think and powerboater in a fast boat would want one... just like using a helmet with a motorcycle/moped/gokart...
11-14-2011 | 01:25 PM
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The fully encapsulated "pod" idea needs to be fully explored. A much tighter, snug area for better bodily protection.
Here's a safety 'pod' that has been protecting outboard racers at 130mph+ for over 20 years. There is no roll cage - the structure is all carbon fiber/kevlar/core material. The contoured and reduced amount of surface area prevents implosion from water pressure. The actual canopies are small, but there still are failures in crashes. But keeping the width of the opening as narrow as possible helps block the power of water dynamics.
http://opcrace.com/news/wp-content/u...2-768x1024.jpg
Here's a safety 'pod' that has been protecting outboard racers at 130mph+ for over 20 years. There is no roll cage - the structure is all carbon fiber/kevlar/core material. The contoured and reduced amount of surface area prevents implosion from water pressure. The actual canopies are small, but there still are failures in crashes. But keeping the width of the opening as narrow as possible helps block the power of water dynamics.
http://opcrace.com/news/wp-content/u...2-768x1024.jpg
11-14-2011 | 01:31 PM
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nobody has addressed the fact that in all instances the plexi/lexan/whatever/ windscreens imploded on impact,,, the resulting incoming water pressure and volume THEN tore the canopy away from the supports
you don't see aircraft windshields doing this when they hit rain at 400-500 mph....
which begs the question, what thickness or mil rating is the clear glass/plastic/lexan/whatever?
you don't see aircraft windshields doing this when they hit rain at 400-500 mph....
which begs the question, what thickness or mil rating is the clear glass/plastic/lexan/whatever?
11-14-2011 | 01:49 PM
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Apparently we won't have reinvent the wheel on this. Over the past few years, the UIM has already adopted new cockpit standards for offshore racing which were already approved back in 2010.
These standards were the product of many years of engineering brainstorming, and do incorporate all the decades of innovations and discoveries in safety cockpit design and accessories that have been collected throughout the boat racing world.
These standards were the product of many years of engineering brainstorming, and do incorporate all the decades of innovations and discoveries in safety cockpit design and accessories that have been collected throughout the boat racing world.
11-14-2011 | 02:03 PM
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And to just think this was just a stuffing!!
Glad you guys are ok and will be back in the future.
Not to be insensitive but how bad were the canopy failures in the two other major accidents. You now have to consider flipping and landing like BTM backwards and upside down. I remember Cat Can Do doing the same kind of flip and only losing the sponson tip and race hatches during the Kilo run in NC back in 99' or 00'
http://youtu.be/9W_MslE5ntE
Glad you guys are ok and will be back in the future.
Not to be insensitive but how bad were the canopy failures in the two other major accidents. You now have to consider flipping and landing like BTM backwards and upside down. I remember Cat Can Do doing the same kind of flip and only losing the sponson tip and race hatches during the Kilo run in NC back in 99' or 00'
http://youtu.be/9W_MslE5ntE
11-14-2011 | 02:39 PM
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I may have this completely wrong but I heard the issue with Page's accident was they could not get the hatch open and needed a crowbar?
