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Old 01-04-2012, 02:52 PM
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Reflecting their level of responsibility, CRNAs are one of the best paid nursing specialties.

According to a Merritt Hawkins & Associates study from 2009 the average salary for CRNAs was $189,000. Although in 2005 the average annual CRNA salary was reported as $160,000, although starting salaries tend to be closer to $110,000-$130,000

I find that hard to believe for a starting salary. I wonder if the nurses would have to purchase mal-practice insurance?
Great facts thatnks. yeah I thought 175ish was high starting out of college. Even though thats a possibility I would guess with todays market starting at that is probably hard with competition. This brings up something else is that these people that go to school to get these jobs deserve good money but this kind of money to be a high speed nurse right out of the gate, we wonder why it cost 20 grand to get a few stitches and x rays.

You bring up a good point about the insurance, that could be part of it, which if it is I wonder how much a year that is. From what I have seen average that cost 28-50 a year. so if you start at 130 and minus 50 then your at 80 which is still good. Good point brad that could be the reason this starts out so high
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Doctors starting salary, how much faith can you put in something you find with a search engine?

SPECIALTY Years 1-2
Allergy/ Immunology $158,000
Ambulatory $80,000
Anesthesiology: Pediatrics $283,000
Anesthesiology: General $207,000
Anesthesiology: Pain Management $315,000
Cardiology: Invasive $258,000
Cardiology: Interventional $290,000
Cardiology: Noninvasive $268,000
Critical Care $187,000
Dermatology $195,000
Emergency Medicine $192,000
Endocrinology $171,000
FP (with OB) $182,000
FP (w/o OB) $161,000
FP - Sports Medicine $152,000
FP - Urgent Care $128,000
Gastroenterology $265,000
Hematology/Oncology $181,348
Infectious Disease $154,000
Internal Medicine $154,000
IM (Hospitalist) $161,000
Medicine/Pediatrics $139,000
Medical Oncology $198,000
Neonatal Medicine $286,000
Nephrology $191,000
Neurology $180,000
Obstetrics/Gynecology $211,000
Gynecology $159,000
Maternal/Fetal Medicine $286,000
Occupational Medicine $139,000
Ophthalmology $138,000
Ophthalmology Retina $280,000
Orthopedic Surgery $256,000
ORS - Foot & Ankle $228,000
ORS - Hand & Upper Extremities $288,000
ORS - Hip & Joint Replacement $330,000
ORS - Spine Surgery $398,000
ORS - Sports Medicine $266,000
Otorhinolaryngology $194,000
Pathology $169,000
Pediatrics $135,000
Pediatrics - Cardiology $145,000
Pediatrics - Critical Care $196,000
Pediatrics - Hematology/Oncology $182,000
Pediatrics - Neurology $175,000
Physiatry $169,000
Podiatry $128,000
Psychiatry $149,000
Psychiatry - Child and Adolescent $158,000
Pulmonary Medicine + Critical Care $215,000
Radiation Oncology $241,000
Radiology $201,000
Rheumatology $179,000
Surgery - General $226,000
Surgery - Cardiovascular $336,000
Surgery - Neurological $354,000
Surgery - Plastic $237,000
Surgery - Vascular $270,000
Urology $261,000
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Great facts thatnks. yeah I thought 175ish was high starting out of college. Even though thats a possibility I would guess with todays market starting at that is probably hard with competition. This brings up something else is that these people that go to school to get these jobs deserve good money but this kind of money to be a high speed nurse right out of the gate, we wonder why it cost 20 grand to get a few stitches and x rays.

You bring up a good point about the insurance, that could be part of it, which if it is I wonder how much a year that is. From what I have seen average that cost 28-50 a year. so if you start at 130 and minus 50 then your at 80 which is still good. Good point brad that could be the reason this starts out so high
nurse anesthetists do not pay insurance fees as they are covered under the operating anesthesiologists policy. that 110-130k number is on the low side. my cousin was offered several postitions in the 145-165k range. granted the position requires training and additional school, it still demands nearly double the starting salary of regular nurses.
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2fast9tech2,
Do you know if there is a high demand for nurse anesthetists? What area was your cousin interviewing?
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Do you know if there is a high demand for nurse anesthetists? What area was your cousin interviewing?
there is a huge demand. my cousin was picked up by a local walk in clinic whom paid for his training. he actually stayed with them after completion.

his good friend who was actually in the same school with him relocated to TX for a 165k offer.

as my cousin puts it, the nurses do all the work while the anesthesiologists just oversee everything. anesthesiologists make around 275k. its a lucrative field but then again, they have all the risk. putting someone to sleep is no easy task. kill or injure someone its all over.
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Doctors starting salary, how much faith can you put in something you find with a search engine?

SPECIALTY Years 1-2
Allergy/ Immunology $158,000
Ambulatory $80,000
Anesthesiology: Pediatrics $283,000
Anesthesiology: General $207,000
Anesthesiology: Pain Management $315,000
Cardiology: Invasive $258,000
Cardiology: Interventional $290,000
Cardiology: Noninvasive $268,000
Critical Care $187,000
Dermatology $195,000
Emergency Medicine $192,000
Endocrinology $171,000
FP (with OB) $182,000
FP (w/o OB) $161,000
FP - Sports Medicine $152,000
FP - Urgent Care $128,000
Gastroenterology $265,000
Hematology/Oncology $181,348
Infectious Disease $154,000
Internal Medicine $154,000
IM (Hospitalist) $161,000
Medicine/Pediatrics $139,000
Medical Oncology $198,000
Neonatal Medicine $286,000
Nephrology $191,000
Neurology $180,000
Obstetrics/Gynecology $211,000
Gynecology $159,000
Maternal/Fetal Medicine $286,000
Occupational Medicine $139,000
Ophthalmology $138,000
Ophthalmology Retina $280,000
Orthopedic Surgery $256,000
ORS - Foot & Ankle $228,000
ORS - Hand & Upper Extremities $288,000
ORS - Hip & Joint Replacement $330,000
ORS - Spine Surgery $398,000
ORS - Sports Medicine $266,000
Otorhinolaryngology $194,000
Pathology $169,000
Pediatrics $135,000
Pediatrics - Cardiology $145,000
Pediatrics - Critical Care $196,000
Pediatrics - Hematology/Oncology $182,000
Pediatrics - Neurology $175,000
Physiatry $169,000
Podiatry $128,000
Psychiatry $149,000
Psychiatry - Child and Adolescent $158,000
Pulmonary Medicine + Critical Care $215,000
Radiation Oncology $241,000
Radiology $201,000
Rheumatology $179,000
Surgery - General $226,000
Surgery - Cardiovascular $336,000
Surgery - Neurological $354,000
Surgery - Plastic $237,000
Surgery - Vascular $270,000
Urology $261,000

Now I know why the Health insurance plans I give my employees is so out of whack. Those $$ are stupidly high.
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SPECIALTY Years 1-2
Allergy/ Immunology $158,000
Ambulatory $80,000
Anesthesiology: Pediatrics $283,000
Anesthesiology: General $207,000
Anesthesiology: Pain Management $315,000
Cardiology: Invasive $258,000
Cardiology: Interventional $290,000
Cardiology: Noninvasive $268,000
Critical Care $187,000
Dermatology $195,000
Emergency Medicine $192,000
Endocrinology $171,000
FP (with OB) $182,000
FP (w/o OB) $161,000
FP - Sports Medicine $152,000
FP - Urgent Care $128,000
Gastroenterology $265,000
Hematology/Oncology $181,348
Infectious Disease $154,000
Internal Medicine $154,000
IM (Hospitalist) $161,000
Medicine/Pediatrics $139,000
Medical Oncology $198,000
Neonatal Medicine $286,000
Nephrology $191,000
Neurology $180,000
Obstetrics/Gynecology $211,000
Gynecology $159,000
Maternal/Fetal Medicine $286,000
Occupational Medicine $139,000
Ophthalmology $138,000
Ophthalmology Retina $280,000
Orthopedic Surgery $256,000
ORS - Foot & Ankle $228,000
ORS - Hand & Upper Extremities $288,000
ORS - Hip & Joint Replacement $330,000
ORS - Spine Surgery $398,000
ORS - Sports Medicine $266,000
Otorhinolaryngology $194,000
Pathology $169,000
Pediatrics $135,000
Pediatrics - Cardiology $145,000
Pediatrics - Critical Care $196,000
Pediatrics - Hematology/Oncology $182,000
Pediatrics - Neurology $175,000
Physiatry $169,000
Podiatry $128,000
Psychiatry $149,000
Psychiatry - Child and Adolescent $158,000
Pulmonary Medicine + Critical Care $215,000
Radiation Oncology $241,000
Radiology $201,000
Rheumatology $179,000
Surgery - General $226,000
Surgery - Cardiovascular $336,000
Surgery - Neurological $354,000
Surgery - Plastic $237,000
Surgery - Vascular $270,000
Urology $261,000

Yeah then deduct the cost of the education (student loans) and the cost of insurance and suddenly Dr's aren't rich anymore! I have a neighbor that is a surgeon, she took a few years off to have kids/raise the family (her husband is a Dr. as well). Her insurance was 30K a year and she kept the policy current (paid the premiums) because she had no claims and feared not being able to get insurance again when she resumed her work schedule!

I know a OBGYN that is out on disability (fell down a staircase, looks fine but ins. company declared him disabled due to the fact he can't lift one arm over his head and that would inhibit child delivery). He makes more money disabled than he netted working (gross - insurance - office overhead = net and the DI payout is currently greater than his former net income!).

Lawyers are making all the money in the medical field, the days of Dr's being the rich guy in towna and playing golf on Wednesdays is over.......
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nurse anesthetists do not pay insurance fees as they are covered under the operating anesthesiologists policy. that 110-130k number is on the low side. my cousin was offered several postitions in the 145-165k range. granted the position requires training and additional school, it still demands nearly double the starting salary of regular nurses.
Many hospitals in Florida aren't allowing them to work in their facilities forcing them to work offsite in Dr. offices instead. Wages are way down from 20 years ago in that field. Insurance companies don't want hospitals using these nurses, they want Dr's knocking people out!
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my wife is an RN, does well and deserves every penny she makes, very knowledgable and works he arse off, you'd be surprised how many times the nurses keep the doctors in line. Her dream is to go back to school for 2 yrs and be a Nurse Anesthetist, it would be very tough for us to give up her salary right now but well worth it in the long run.
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Now I know why the Health insurance plans I give my employees is so out of whack. Those $$ are stupidly high.
This statement couldn't be further from the truth...

Spend 10+ years post High School in a grueling academic environment. Take those gross $$$ and subtract hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt to pay of, insurance that makes a 16 year old kid with a quad 1350 Nortech's policy look like safe auto, and see how much you take home. I'd say they more than deserve it.

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Yeah then deduct the cost of the education (student loans) and the cost of insurance and suddenly Dr's aren't rich anymore! I have a neighbor that is a surgeon, she took a few years off to have kids/raise the family (her husband is a Dr. as well). Her insurance was 30K a year and she kept the policy current (paid the premiums) because she had no claims and feared not being able to get insurance again when she resumed her work schedule!

I know a OBGYN that is out on disability (fell down a staircase, looks fine but ins. company declared him disabled due to the fact he can't lift one arm over his head and that would inhibit child delivery). He makes more money disabled than he netted working (gross - insurance - office overhead = net and the DI payout is currently greater than his former net income!).

Lawyers are making all the money in the medical field, the days of Dr's being the rich guy in towna and playing golf on Wednesdays is over.......
Great post, it's all about the LAWYERS.

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my wife is an RN, does well and deserves every penny she makes, very knowledgable and works he arse off, you'd be surprised how many times the nurses keep the doctors in line. Her dream is to go back to school for 2 yrs and be a Nurse Anesthetist, it would be very tough for us to give up her salary right now but well worth it in the long run.
Best of luck to her! She has to love what she does, it's not an easy job

And for the record, yes, I am very bias. My wife is a Pediatrician starting with a successful private practice this spring. I have been with her every step of the way, and it's no walk in the park. I sure as hell couldn't do it!

The days of going into medicine to make a quick easy buck are long, long gone.
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