28 Sonic/25 AT Tantrum?
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lol..i should..she may want a cruiser!
she didnt want me to sell mine to begin with, but for the money I couldnt pass it up.
thank you guys for your input but its gone beyond that now..take it to PM or the daycare.
she didnt want me to sell mine to begin with, but for the money I couldnt pass it up.
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Well obviously R Addiction is in love with his Tantrum
I`ll have to say Texoma does have some valid points.
First I`ll say I don`t think any 25' boat is a good choice for Lake Michigan. I got pretty beat up on my Tantrum, the stand up bolsters killed my legs and back and usually the boat would come down so hard I thought it was going to break in half. First bravo 1 lasted 2 months I think.. the second XZ, 20 easy hours until I opened it up ONE time.
Current XR seems to be doing fine however for sleeeeevelss.
No TQ steer but constant adjustments to drive and tabs to get a decent ride and to prevent what I used to call "shooting for the moon". I guess thats whats called a 'drivers boat' ?
Chine walk scared me. Watching Addictions video I was taken back to how the boat used pitch side to side most of the time.
These are my experiences but I`ve never had another brand smaller boat so this may all be 25' related issues on Lake Michigan
This was typical "shooting for the moon" no matter the drive adjustments

Current boat is like a cadillac, no need for tabs, sit down bolsters are great, no crazy wind in my face, just point and shoot and it goes, 33 spans the waves so much better, no coming down so hard you thing your fillings are gonna fly out of your mouth, Lake michigan needs a 30+ footer imop

I`ll have to say Texoma does have some valid points.
First I`ll say I don`t think any 25' boat is a good choice for Lake Michigan. I got pretty beat up on my Tantrum, the stand up bolsters killed my legs and back and usually the boat would come down so hard I thought it was going to break in half. First bravo 1 lasted 2 months I think.. the second XZ, 20 easy hours until I opened it up ONE time.
Current XR seems to be doing fine however for sleeeeevelss.
No TQ steer but constant adjustments to drive and tabs to get a decent ride and to prevent what I used to call "shooting for the moon". I guess thats whats called a 'drivers boat' ?
Chine walk scared me. Watching Addictions video I was taken back to how the boat used pitch side to side most of the time.
These are my experiences but I`ve never had another brand smaller boat so this may all be 25' related issues on Lake Michigan
This was typical "shooting for the moon" no matter the drive adjustments

Current boat is like a cadillac, no need for tabs, sit down bolsters are great, no crazy wind in my face, just point and shoot and it goes, 33 spans the waves so much better, no coming down so hard you thing your fillings are gonna fly out of your mouth, Lake michigan needs a 30+ footer imop
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In that video you'll notice I was running at a bad angle across the wakes. I had to so the helicopter could get a good video. The boat has no chinewalk unless its in that type of water and if I am in that position I turn into the wave/wake and it goes away. Every boat has a learning curve, you just never gave it a chance Ice! But it didn't suit you so you moved on. Its all good!
People want different things from a boat. Many enjoy a "driver's boat" for the thrill and excitement. Others want a boat that is easy to drive. IMO most of the smaller boats(25' and under) that perform well in snotty water are a "driver's boats" and of course a larger boat will go through the same water easier.
The people that enjoy a "driver's boat" would be bored in a bigger boat doing the same speeds. The people that want a larger boat for ease of driving through snotty water don't want to deal with the attention and focus a "driver's boat" requires.
Neither is good or bad, just different wants and needs to satisfy people's powerboat enjoyment.
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I wasn't going to bust your balls about blowing drives cause I don't know your experience or driving habbits but I had a stock bravo behind my 600 horse 525sc pushing a heavier boat than the AT and never had an issue. I know a guy pushing 700 through a stock bravo on his 3rd yr in a TANK 29 saber
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Do us all a favor, if you haven't been on either boat as you have stated here, then SPECULATING things about either boat is useless by you. I haven't been on either boat either so I can't give an opinion which is why I stay out of it.
Drock in the end get the boat that you like the best and just make sure you get a ride on both of them before you purchase, then I'm sure you will have found out which one you will like the best. Good luck on your search!
Drock in the end get the boat that you like the best and just make sure you get a ride on both of them before you purchase, then I'm sure you will have found out which one you will like the best. Good luck on your search!
Nobody said you had to agree with my opinion. You won't even give us an opinion to disagree with. Absolutely no problem with giving an opinion on two boats I've never been in so long as I give a disclaimer and don't pretend to of owned one like Sunkin. My have the tables turned in this thread.

Thank you for laying off the personal insults.
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I thought you were done with me?
Nobody said you had to agree with my opinion. You won't even give us an opinion to disagree with. Absolutely no problem with giving an opinion on two boats I've never been in so long as I give a disclaimer and don't pretend to of owned one like Sunkin. My have the tables turned in this thread.
Thank you for laying off the personal insults.
Nobody said you had to agree with my opinion. You won't even give us an opinion to disagree with. Absolutely no problem with giving an opinion on two boats I've never been in so long as I give a disclaimer and don't pretend to of owned one like Sunkin. My have the tables turned in this thread.

Thank you for laying off the personal insults.
Drock, if I think about it later, I'll post up some Youtube links from my Tantrum running... I have runs from the bay area and surrounding rivers.. For a 25', I am still lovin' the AT
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One more word to the wise Drock78. R-addiction's brother has a horrible track record of misrepresenting boats. The guy wrecked a 28 apache and didn't even tell buyers having to travel long distances just to see the boat. Was like pulling teeth to get the true story from either of them. The 21 apache scout his borther sold; the motor blew up first time out. I've got to assume the apple doesn't fall far from the tree........
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Tex,where do you get your infomation from? I sold my 28 to a good friend of mine and he ran it hard for 5 years with no problems and knew everything about the accident, and i sold my 21 to another good friend and he ran it for a whole season before he melted a piston because he ran 87 octane on high compression 2.5L offshore. And guess what they are still good friends, i guess i am not that bad of a person or a crook!
What an A$$
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Tex,where do you get your infomation from? I sold my 28 to a good friend of mine and he ran it hard for 5 years with no problems and knew everything about the accident, and i sold my 21 to another good friend and he ran it for a whole season before he melted a piston because he ran 87 octane on high compression 2.5L offshore. And guess what they are still good friends, i guess i am not that bad of a person or a crook!
What an A$$
What an A$$
just ask him, he'll tell you. You know what they say,IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT TALK LOUD !!!!



Do you have any clue how bad you make yourself look? You wanna go beat off a dead horse do it in private.
