skaterdave

steve he's right on the trans canada pipeline. it was a running joke when i was working in ND oil shale.

the oil companies are closing refiniers to jack up the price and also its easier to do refining in countries that don't complain about dumping toxic sludge everywhere.

Catmando

You have to laugh at these drill-baby-drill guys. They really think all that shale oil is going to American gas stations.

Steve 1

So it is better the Chinese get the Oil , Right Cat ??? Where did the 20 Billion Obamaloon had go ???

Catmando

What's going on in the Bakken now? I almost got a job hauling pipe up there but my truck was not 4wd.

Steve 1

Bakken ?? BUT I thought you were a Obamaloon peakoilist ? They are revising the estimates up now and are at 8 billion barrels and rising , Too put this in context The East Texas Oil field produced 5.2 billion Barrels .

skaterdave

back in the marcellus in PA, which unfortunity is slowing way down due to NG prices being so low. plus there's the fact that the us isn't building anything, power plants, infistructure, brigdes, roads, anything. so theres no real use for the gas. ND is still busy since they get oil instead of NG from frac-ing.

steve, i'm all for drilling since it creates jobs, just like operating a refinery, they createjobs and increase production but why then is it that theres no new refinierys since for more than 30 yrs. one of my many issues is the states are screwing themselves for a nickles. hence, texas and LA make it easier to operate refineries down there vs the northeast. i could go into all the BS with why that is but i've talked to people who actually work in these places and it all has to do with cutting corners or costs which ever term you perfer.

and even with the pipeline the chinese still get the oil. its just that some company in TX with get a piece of the pie for loading onto chinese tankers.

then theres the whole issue of where the tankers are built and so on. just like the drill rigs, guess who builds them ?

Steve 1

WE have the highest corporate taxes in the world , along with rules and regulations that make our country VERY business unfriendly , Who in their right mind would start a business here , We have 65% of the earths Lawyers and 4.6 % of the population . The XL pipeline would have meant Jobs !! Building it and refining to finished product .

Steve 1

Then this !!

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gao-...d-s-proven-oil






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skaterdave

come on really steve.................

the only people paying the "list price" on taxes are employees. the feds along with state and local take their share up front before i even cash my paycheck

i paid less when i owned my own business and i could only afford 1 accountant.

so just imagine what big corporations who can piss away money hiring entire accounting firms, lawyers and millions in lobbyist to exploit the plethora of loop holes. give me a break. if things are so much better let them leave and tax the crap out of all the money their hiding offshore.

as for rules and regulation, the worst thing for small business are the local and state laws and regulation, so how come Rubio and Scott here in FL haven't made things better. hint = they don't give a sh#t about you unless your worth m$$$$$$'s.

the pipeline oil was to be shipped offshore to be refinied as too be more profitable, hence a few thousand jobs for a year. but the taxpayers would have to foot the bill and take on the all the liability. if your all for jobs how about Scott taking the money for rail.

as for lawyers, well their the ones finding all the loop holes so until all laws are written in plain english (in layman's terms) and streamlined with common sense that will only continual to rise.
i would like to hear your ideas on how to deal with that problem. stricter white collar laws that can be understood by all such as in banking and add in some public hangings, uhmmmmm

Steve 1

Nothing can be done until the elitists are voted out , and real conservatives are in power .“It has become more important, to our current government representatives, that funding our enemies and to promote our demise , than to preserve, protect, and defend our Constitution and our nation.”

VOTING BOOTH !! Start by removing this hate crime that was foisted upon us
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The pipeline would supply Oil for finished goods , weather exported or not , upwards of 200,000 jobs would be created from what I gather .




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