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sutphen 30 05-22-2012 10:19 PM

Well John Makepeace does own a 51' outerlimits w/ 1375hp engines and runs his boat hard.I believe he's owned a couple of ol's.

Smarty 05-22-2012 10:20 PM


Originally Posted by stainless (Post 3693704)
I'm just stating the FACTS for those who are interested. The point is this. Do you think the passenger going out for a demo run knows as much as the builder/ owner / driver/ throttleman ? Do you think the passenger was aware of the exact drive, tab , throttle and trim settings to the extent that Mike Fiore was? May there have been a wave involved thad due to the altered tab setting cause the boat to react in a way mike didnt anticipate? Yes. It was a simple mechanical mishap, stop trying to make it into something that it's not . Plain and simple.

I am not making it into anything. Not my problem. You write, "May there have been a wave involved thad due to the altered tab setting cause the boat to react in a way mike didnt anticipate?" That is an assumption not FACTS, the operative word is MAY in your sentence, meaning you do not know, nor where you there, Mr. Makepeace was.

Enough of this nonsense if you read any of my posts in this thread I say it is an accident; I take the information given as accurate. Other people in this thread have questions which seem reasonable, and it seems there are more than three people in this thread that want to stymie these questions, what is the problem in asking questions? I do not have blind loyalty to any brand or builder. I am neutral person just looking to be informed.

stainless 05-22-2012 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by Smarty (Post 3693741)
I am not making it into anything. Not my problem. You write, "May there have been a wave involved thad due to the altered tab setting cause the boat to react in a way mike didnt anticipate?" That is an assumption not FACTS. Enough of this nonsense.

No nonsense here counsellor , just putting the pieces together for you since you were having some doubts.

Smarty 05-22-2012 10:34 PM


Originally Posted by stainless (Post 3693745)
No nonsense here counsellor , just putting the pieces together for you since you were having some doubts.

I agree in part -disagree in part with your conclusions (refer to post 201 and the links for my rationale), but that is why we are all entitled to our opinions. No problem.

stainless 05-22-2012 10:38 PM


Originally Posted by Smarty (Post 3693751)
I agree in part -disagree in part with your conclusions (refer to post 201 and the links for my rationale), but that is why we are all entitled to our opinions. No problem.

My conclusions are based on direct input from those at the scene when it happened.

Smarty 05-22-2012 11:02 PM


Originally Posted by stainless (Post 3693753)
My conclusions are based on direct input from those at the scene when it happened.

Case closed. You spoke with both, Mr. Makepeace and Mr. Fiore, and heard their statement(s) as to what happened? I will take your word on it, I have no reason to doubt what you are telling is the truth.

stainless 05-22-2012 11:14 PM


Originally Posted by Smarty (Post 3693767)
Case closed. You spoke with both, Mr. Makepeace and Mr. Fiore, and heard their statement(s) as to what happened? I will take your word on it, I have no reason to doubt what you are telling is the truth.

I did not speak with either mike or mr makepeace, there were others on scene at the time.

Smarty 05-22-2012 11:34 PM


Originally Posted by stainless (Post 3693771)
I did not speak with either mike or mr makepeace, there were others on scene at the time.

I then again refer you to the links in post #201. Mr. makepeace's statement is a direct quote, not hearsay, everything you have been told is hearsay. It may be credible, and I believe it very well may accurate, you were not there, you did not speak personally with either occupant of the boat, you are gathering information second and third hand. You are making an assumption, not fact.

I believe the tab was down, operator error happened, as stated intially. As far as the wave, if a man in the boat says a wave caused the accident I would believe that person too. The question remains unanswered, which was the primary cause, the tab or the wave? Or the most likely scenario, which is an assumption on my part, the deployed tab in conjunction with a wave. Does it really matter? It only matters if the problem is fixed in that boat, and future 29'OL boats, I am sure it will be. OL build a nice product, but not everything is accident safe, sh*t happens.

I am now really done with this, it is not that important (to me).

stainless 05-22-2012 11:39 PM

[QUOTE=Smarty;3693775]I then again refer you to the links in post #201. Mr. makepeace's statement is a direct quote, not hearsay, everything you have been told is hearsay. It may be credible, and I believe it very well may accurate, you were not there, you did nopt speak personally with either occupant of the boat. You are making an assumption, not fact.

I believe the tab was down, operator error happened. As far as the wave, if a man in the boat says a wave caused the accident I would believe that person too. The question remains unanswered, which was the primary cause, the tab or the wave? Or the most likely scenario (which is an assumption on my part, the deployeed tab in conjunction with a wave. Does it really matter? Only if the problem is fixed in that boat, and future 29'OL boats, I am sure it will be. OL build a nice product, but not everything is accident safe, sh*t happens.

Someone at the scene, with intimate knowledge of the boat and both parties in the boat is the most credible info I've seen on here so far.
IT WAS A FAULTY TAB INDICATOR!
You asked for clarification , I tried to help you out. Nuff said.

thirdchildhood 05-23-2012 06:07 AM

I'm glad to hear that crashing a boat is not considered normal. I've never flipped one in over 20 years of boating. I also find it odd that Mr. Fiore would have to rely on tab indicators over the feel of the boat. If one tab was down too far wouldn't it induce a list? If one tab gets lowered too far is it normal that it cause the boat to flip?? I don't think so. They need to get to the bottom of this because the faulty tab indicator thing doesn't make it OK. Go ahead, bash me now.


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