Commentary: The Spin on 190
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On a different note: My Way only had minor damage. A couple bent fuel senders from the tanks shifting. I say it again, very very lucky.
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...since we all know the law means nothing!
I think I am reading this right and when I spent a lot of time on the St Lawrence it was talked about from time to time and discussed in Captain's School Classes in Clayton. Aren't the 2 boats in question 50'ers...
Speed restrictions
(14) The St. Lawrence Seaway waters of the St. Lawrence River are a controlled speed area. The speed limits in U.S. waters are in accordance with 33 CFR 401. (See 33 CFR 401, chapter 2.)
(15) The maximum speeds for vessels in excess of 40 feet (12.2 meters) in length are in effect in the following areas unless otherwise indicated through Seaway Notices:
(23) McNair Island Light Buoy 137A to Deer Island Light 186, 11.5 knots (10.5 knots at high water)
(24) Deer Island Light 186 to Bartlett Point Light 227, 8.5 knots upbound and 10.5 knots downbound
(25) Bartlett Point Light 227 to Tibbetts Point, 13 knots (10.5 knots at high water)
Before I get accused of making this up or fabricating/doctoring it, it comes from GREAT LAKES-ST. LAWRENCE SEAWAY Publication . I did remove the first few references because they are not germane to this conversation.
http://www.marad.dot.gov/publications.
I think I am reading this right and when I spent a lot of time on the St Lawrence it was talked about from time to time and discussed in Captain's School Classes in Clayton. Aren't the 2 boats in question 50'ers...
Speed restrictions
(14) The St. Lawrence Seaway waters of the St. Lawrence River are a controlled speed area. The speed limits in U.S. waters are in accordance with 33 CFR 401. (See 33 CFR 401, chapter 2.)
(15) The maximum speeds for vessels in excess of 40 feet (12.2 meters) in length are in effect in the following areas unless otherwise indicated through Seaway Notices:
(23) McNair Island Light Buoy 137A to Deer Island Light 186, 11.5 knots (10.5 knots at high water)
(24) Deer Island Light 186 to Bartlett Point Light 227, 8.5 knots upbound and 10.5 knots downbound
(25) Bartlett Point Light 227 to Tibbetts Point, 13 knots (10.5 knots at high water)
Before I get accused of making this up or fabricating/doctoring it, it comes from GREAT LAKES-ST. LAWRENCE SEAWAY Publication . I did remove the first few references because they are not germane to this conversation.
http://www.marad.dot.gov/publications.
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...contrary to what pondrunner says...
From the videos and other information I had extrapolated the spin happened in the area pondrunner says, and he has confirmed my thoughts. An example of how wide open it is, from Pine Island to the rock "spike" and marker is 0.23 miles.
At Clayton it is 0.40 miless rock to town and on the outside Eagle Wing Group to rock 0.12 miles.
Considering the fact (we have the video) Aqua was doing 140-160 mph through the area, he very well might not have seen the spin. Simply, My Way might have been hidden by an island or a laker.
I would certainly hope at that speed on a part of the river dotted with islands and pleasure boats his concentration as well as his throttle man's was straight ahead. Oh, and yes, don't forget the lakers!
I have slowed the "spin" video down and enlarged it to the point of pixelation and I interprete that My Way was between the cruiser and the shore, but the quality is not all that great.
And just so you know, there is a video of Aqua leaving Clayton. At 68 mph he passes about 30-40 ft from a pleasure boater and at 102 he was even closer to another pleasure boat! Then at about 50' away, he passes another pleasure boat at about 120.
There appears to be another boat keeping up with Aqua through a good part of his early run. White hull on the port of Aqua.
All this in what appears to be a 40 mph speed zone!
Look at the charts, please look at the charts. On another site the excuse given was that these guys are professionals. There are too many areas where surprises can happen.
At Clayton it is 0.40 miless rock to town and on the outside Eagle Wing Group to rock 0.12 miles.
Considering the fact (we have the video) Aqua was doing 140-160 mph through the area, he very well might not have seen the spin. Simply, My Way might have been hidden by an island or a laker.
I would certainly hope at that speed on a part of the river dotted with islands and pleasure boats his concentration as well as his throttle man's was straight ahead. Oh, and yes, don't forget the lakers!
I have slowed the "spin" video down and enlarged it to the point of pixelation and I interprete that My Way was between the cruiser and the shore, but the quality is not all that great.
And just so you know, there is a video of Aqua leaving Clayton. At 68 mph he passes about 30-40 ft from a pleasure boater and at 102 he was even closer to another pleasure boat! Then at about 50' away, he passes another pleasure boat at about 120.
There appears to be another boat keeping up with Aqua through a good part of his early run. White hull on the port of Aqua.
All this in what appears to be a 40 mph speed zone!
Look at the charts, please look at the charts. On another site the excuse given was that these guys are professionals. There are too many areas where surprises can happen.
Last edited by Florida Floater; 06-30-2012 at 03:31 AM.




