LOL....you said it was fake. :drink::drink::drink:

j arruda said it did happen,and he would know,so now i am a believer,finally someone with facts has spoke up.:whistle:

Boy, I feel so relieved for you. LOL :drink: :drink: :drink:

My buds and I came upon the spinout just after it happened. A yellow cat(?) was pulled up along side MY WAY to assist. At the time we didn't know the spin had occurred, just though it was engine/drive problems. The boat left in the opposite direction of the run, and later we saw it parked at the house around noon. I would have to get with a local friend who is our "guide" through the islands to find out precisely where it happend, but I know we were close to Picton Island cove, because we pulled in to raft up. The area where it happened was NOT tight at all, although the video gives that impression. I'm still curious why NO ONE mentions that AquaMania is out there doing the same thing, and that these guys egg each other on. Aqua is pro...Bill amature, but both should have been mentioned in the article, they were doing the same thing at the same time. If anyone wants to assign blame for an incident,and the tone of the article certainly appears to, both should be mentioned, as both are engaged in the same activity in the same location. One spun, one didn't, but both are involved in a game of chance at those speeds! And for what its worth, I would never blame a young kid on a jetski, who has no concept of these speeds, for "causing" an accident. They have every right to be there. The responsibilty, BY LAW, lies solely with the poker-runners to operate in a safe manner. No, I'm not a lawyer, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.:evilb:

do you work at being an azz,or is it natural for you:7160:

.The finest rough sea offshore powerboat!.cool :lolhit:

+1..... also it appears in the video Aqua Mania drove right by MyWay after the spin.....

Yes. :drink::drink: Hope you have a great holiday!

None of the reliable sources who provided reports of the incident to me mentioned Aqua Mania. The first I heard of it was in the following quote from John Arruda in another thread. Here is his quote:

"This statement is NOT correct.
We just made a custom 3 degree wedge that pitched the rudder back 3 degrees away from the transome on Aqua-Mania.
Also what saved Aqua-Mania when coming to fast into the turn with My Way, where the newly installed prop shaft brakes designed by Turbine Marine, that we just completed on that boat a week before. They where built for exactly this reason.
I was told by the throttle man that they where pumping the brakes HARD in that turn to slow down. My Way on the other hand just came in to hot trying to pass Aqua.
Glad everyone is fine."

I did not assign "blame" in my column. I questioned judgement. I still do—now more than ever. But for the record, yes, if you lose control of your boat other than for catastrophic mechanical reasons (steering failure, etc.) it is your fault. Kind of hard to get around that.

If what Mr. Arruda says is true, and I have no reason to doubt him, two turbine boats were racing at high speed on an uncontrolled public waterway on a mid-June Saturday.

I stand by my commentary. More than ever.

I'd rather read Commentaries than Eulogies any day of the week.

That's what I tried to allude to earlier, but its worth repeating.

BS comment

It happened cuz JA said so.??

Finally someone with facts ??

I keep thinking if they hit another watercraft and someone had gotten hurt or even killed , wouldn't there be a good possibilty of jail time ?

I noticed that as well ? Not what I would have done. Always check on your fellow boater first priority. Race or pleasure.

On a different note: My Way only had minor damage. A couple bent fuel senders from the tanks shifting. I say it again, very very lucky.

Not that it matters...
 

...since we all know the law means nothing!

I think I am reading this right and when I spent a lot of time on the St Lawrence it was talked about from time to time and discussed in Captain's School Classes in Clayton. Aren't the 2 boats in question 50'ers...

Speed restrictions
(14) The St. Lawrence Seaway waters of the St. Lawrence River are a controlled speed area. The speed limits in U.S. waters are in accordance with 33 CFR 401. (See 33 CFR 401, chapter 2.)

(15) The maximum speeds for vessels in excess of 40 feet (12.2 meters) in length are in effect in the following areas unless otherwise indicated through Seaway Notices:

(23) McNair Island Light Buoy 137A to Deer Island Light 186, 11.5 knots (10.5 knots at high water)

(24) Deer Island Light 186 to Bartlett Point Light 227, 8.5 knots upbound and 10.5 knots downbound

(25) Bartlett Point Light 227 to Tibbetts Point, 13 knots (10.5 knots at high water)

Before I get accused of making this up or fabricating/doctoring it, it comes from GREAT LAKES-ST. LAWRENCE SEAWAY Publication . I did remove the first few references because they are not germane to this conversation.

http://www.marad.dot.gov/publications.

bs comment,try reading it again,or better yet il explain it so you can understand.1 i said i beleive because ja said so, 2 yes he knows the facts,unlike you,so no bs in my comment.the bs is your post:angry-smiley-038:

Let. It. Go. Group Hug?

why does every post on this site turn out like this??? Maybe it just takes some getting used too...sigh...

And they do just that! imo\

Really. what way were they going (LOOK AT THE FILM) an how long after the spin. who filmed this might know ???? Artie Just thinking out loud.

Aqua may have never seen the spin, and...
 

...contrary to what pondrunner says...

From the videos and other information I had extrapolated the spin happened in the area pondrunner says, and he has confirmed my thoughts. An example of how wide open it is, from Pine Island to the rock "spike" and marker is 0.23 miles.

At Clayton it is 0.40 miless rock to town and on the outside Eagle Wing Group to rock 0.12 miles.

Considering the fact (we have the video) Aqua was doing 140-160 mph through the area, he very well might not have seen the spin. Simply, My Way might have been hidden by an island or a laker.

I would certainly hope at that speed on a part of the river dotted with islands and pleasure boats his concentration as well as his throttle man's was straight ahead. Oh, and yes, don't forget the lakers!

I have slowed the "spin" video down and enlarged it to the point of pixelation and I interprete that My Way was between the cruiser and the shore, but the quality is not all that great.

And just so you know, there is a video of Aqua leaving Clayton. At 68 mph he passes about 30-40 ft from a pleasure boater and at 102 he was even closer to another pleasure boat! Then at about 50' away, he passes another pleasure boat at about 120.

There appears to be another boat keeping up with Aqua through a good part of his early run. White hull on the port of Aqua.

All this in what appears to be a 40 mph speed zone!

Look at the charts, please look at the charts. On another site the excuse given was that these guys are professionals. There are too many areas where surprises can happen.

What I don't get is the complaints about speed ......in a PRA poker run lots of guys are on throttles not just myway or aqua mania, this isn't a blow boaters event.
If anything at all maybe they need to revisit safety precautions ie- course makers, more pace boats ?


Would love to hear from guys that actually participate in river based poker runs

I've only been to the 1000islands poker run as a spectator and love watching 80 boats givnr not putting along

I think to sumise whats been said , its not a complaint of speed per se, but of speed per conditions. Mystics are race boats with limited visibilty (canopy). On a race course you have a closed secure course with patrol boats, med boats with medics and divers plus a helo with divers should something go wrong.

I dont think anybody is saying not to push the sticks and have some fun on a poker run. But if you want to push the envelope, hang it all the way out, and lean over the edge, the race course is the safer place to do it. Safer for you, safer for the spectators and safer for the guy on the jtski or pontoon boat out screwing around not paying attention. Had Myway caught and barrel rolled or blown over instead of spinning at a poker run, how soon would medics and divers be on scene? had he hit someone, how soon would medics and divers be on scene? On a sanctioned racecourse, probably in less than 60 seconds.

Exactly!
 

You are exactly right. GFs in open water, go for it, hit 300 if you can. Hit 400 if you can! Cruies at 200 all you want... but where the innocent John Q Everyday Boater in his Bayliner or sailboat is around, harness the horses.

My intent has not be to blame, but to point to facts. And the facts as represented by the videos is there were people NOT acting in a responsible manner.

If my memory serves me correctly there are something like 12 different law enforcement agencies on the River with local, state and all the various federal, and also the Canadians. All that needs to happen is one of them decide there is an issue with safety and/or regulations and that could be the end of PRs on the River for anything over 40'.

Yes; really that's why its my opinion. And I'm not referring to the video clip which I will add has some awesome real-time telemetry going on.

i dont want to seem rude but have you ever been on a poker run?13 knots top speed,most boats are not even on plane at that speed!

Yes, I have...
 

...in a 29'er which did a GPS 61 mph on the St Lawrence about 5 years ago.

All I am doing is posting the regulations, not damning the activity.

We were open from west of Carleton to about Blanket Island when we started to get into other boat traffic, for obvious safety reasons, backed off to comfortable "on plane". Still got pulled over for speeding in the "narrows" (just a bit to the west of A-Bay) by the NYSP Marine Division. Luckily he knew my charter and a friend in another branch was on duty.

There was a RACE last fall in key west that would challenge your estimation.