Agreed..But shouldn't the parents shoulder some responsibility by putting the kids in harms way in the first place?

There is no fact of a blow by wake.
A 50 SeaRay doing 12kts will make a LARGE wake.

The LI Sound is open waters. A large wake could have come from 1/2 a mile away or further.
I've been out in these waters plenty of times. A wake will seemingly come out of no where.

It was a calm night. I watched the fireworks(from NYC all the way to Rye Playland, which is NW) from a friends house on the water.

Btw, from the article Warparty36 linked, the operator was not the owner. No mention whether the owner was onboard.

True, but many a passenger may not know the limitations of a vessel and rules of the waterways., where the captain should.

lifesavers would not have made a difference by the way...
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Authorities said the children who died got trapped in the cabin.
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Only thing that would have helped is not having the boat loaded with twice its rated weight..

Wow...It makes me wonder what people are thinking...if they think at all. What a tragedy for the families. I have noticed alot of newer large boat owners with what I call "Titanic mindset". Meaning they think they have a large boat that is unsinkable and will go wherever they want it too, and pilot it accordingly....anyway they want. The non-boaters aboard that nite had no idea of the dangers. It's a crying shame.

I just wonder ? You invite a bunch of people out on the boat. They bring friends, Kids an You make a bad mistake ? Not saying no to the people that showed up. I'm not defending anyone. Just maybe didn't say no when He should have. You can't control 27 people on a boat. Sorry for the Kids an Family. R.I.P Artie

Actually no....

I would say WTF were you thinking...

Somebody has to live with what happened and that may almost be as bad as losing a family member. I know I would not be sleeping at night.

My heart still goes out to all who lost family.

Wannabe

I am pretty specific when I invite people on the boat about if they can or cant bring a freind.
If they still bring extra people or kids without telling me I tell them sorry you cant go.
I would rather be known as an azzhole than the guy on the 5 o'clock news.

I do agree with You. This is so sad. I allso can't help but wander if they though this was a prank call at first after the last one. Sad what people do. Be safe an enjoy Your weekend My friends. Artie

Yes; those tankers do make large wakes. However; this was in Oyster Bay Cove I believe.

you would think so,but if the parents are non boaters they might not have known it was a dangerous situation,the captian is responsible for the safety of those onboard.if the captian was not the owner,the owner will also bear responsability if he granted permission for someone else to operate the boat.its kinda like rideing in your buddy,s car,you expect him to drive in a safe manner.i feel very bad for the family,s of the victoms.

They are saying the boat is in 60ft of water.
Is there a depth like that in the cove?

I'm surprised some details are not known(or at least in the news), considering the local coverage it's getting.

Very well put. This summer says "SAFETY FIRST!" No Bull Sh!t!

This. The Captain should be prosecuted with the most serious charge that can be brought against him.

RIP to those children and my condolences to their families.

Very Sad, Very Tragic, Very Preventable! Condolences to the family and friends. So sad when children pay the price for STRUPID adults who are suppossed to protect children!

The rules of the road and laws are very clear and posted on almost all boats as to capacity and allowable loading. It's the owners responsibility to make sure the operator is qualified and knowledgable in the safety requirements of his boat before turning over the vessel to him for operation and the operators responsibility to comply with these laws and requiremnts as the "captain" of the vessel. Laws and regulations were broken here and the responsible parties should be held accountable. This was not really an accident, but a preventable act and the willful disregard for the law and safety of his passengers!

Just to also mention SADLY that 5 children lost their lives to electrocution on the Fourth becuase apparently stupid owners of boats and lakeside docks did not have the ground fault interrrupters on their dockside power hookups that the laws require and that inspectors and compliance officials allow this type of deadly safety violation to go uncorrected and that takes the lives of innocent children ! This is law everywhere in the USA by the National Electric Code AND SHOULD NOT HAPPEN AT ALL! No Damn excuse or justitication for these losses!

Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

At least one person is thinking ahead.

Michael

Terrible.....my condolences & prayers to the friends & families that lost the children.

I own a 34' Silverton of similar vintage. Even my cat would realize that over 20 people aboard was way overcrowded. I've had 8 aboard, and it seemed crowded. I can imagine some would have had sense to question the capacity of the boat, only to have the captain assure them "It'll be OK". Poor kids.

Another thing to take into consideration is the capacity rating on older boats is based on an old 1950's era average weight of an adult. There was just a recent news report here in Pittsburgh that discussed how the rating is being revised and how it will affect commercial vessels due to the fattening of people. I want to say the average weight in the 50's was 160lbs and now its over 180 if not closer to 200.

The police boat is still tied to the sunken boat. Very sad to see. Inexperience and rookies night out (fireworks show)

My home waters too, it's not a body of water to F with. Nice conditions much of the time but yes there are wakes/waves from ships that come from seemingly nowhere that'll kick your butt. Large vessels running up the Sound from NYC area to Block Island Sound & the Atlantic are commonplace, so is the typical 50' Hatteras/Viking/Bertram/Cabo et al. Why ask for trouble when the water is more than happy to oblige?