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TylerBurich 08-28-2012 05:16 PM

In the video it looks as though the boat handles the heavy water just fine. The blue 29 was docked at our condo for the weekend, that first step is so far forward! Must be working out great apparently!

1MOSES1 08-28-2012 06:10 PM

aside from not following the markers boat looks to chine walk a lot even when it found smoother water...

OL40SVX 08-28-2012 06:35 PM

The boat does not chine walk in smooth water. The boat is moving around because of all the boat wakes and cross chop not to mention Brian running the sh*t out of the boat.

redbud35 08-28-2012 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by cbell (Post 3764356)
And everyone wonders why the MO Water Patrol wants to end or crack down on Poker Runs and Fun Runs at LOTO. They are always looking for info to kill these events and what's the best way to help them? Serve up video documentation in downloadable video form with names and faces!!! Nice Job!!

X2
I'd be hoping the WP doesn't find this video, I know two guys that were ticketed after the fact when the video hit Utube.

cbell 08-28-2012 07:51 PM

Yeah, it is one thing to pull stunts like that, another to hand deliver it via the Internet to MOWP.
I posted the reference to the previous video incident on another thread and how 2 were ticketed and that PR now has a hard speed limit.
Hey, we all know stuff happens in the heat of the moment just don't document it.

Uncle Dave 08-28-2012 08:20 PM

Boat looks great guys!

Watched the whole thing and it looks like it handles great and goes like stink.

Fast and loose but not too loose- handled everything just like it should have that run - looks like a blast.

Guys talking about the boat moving too around must be in cats or much bigger V's a while- this thing is working exactly like a fast 28-9 foot boat should.

Way to go guys.

Uncle Dave

BBCLiberator 08-28-2012 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by cbell (Post 3764510)
Hey, we all know stuff happens in the heat of the moment just don't document it.

Exactly. We've all done it, mistake whatever, posting video evidence isn't to smart.

Sweet boat though.

baywatch 08-28-2012 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by redbud35 (Post 3764498)
X2
I'd be hoping the WP doesn't find this video, I know two guys that were ticketed after the fact when the video hit Utube.

Yep. I think they got some probation as well. Wasn't just a slap on the wrist. Just makes it all the easier for the speed limit nazis to lobby their case when videos like this appear.

Cat & Mice 08-28-2012 08:53 PM

Keep in mind that camera is mounted up pretty high. It will move way more then the passengers.

Have you ever been to the top of a sailboat mast? If someone even blinks on the deck you move 5 feet LOL

Amazing Boat.

MP

jawbreakerkid 08-29-2012 09:26 PM

Wow! That video provides a perfect example of a blatant disrespect for boating laws, fellow boaters and waterfront property owners all wrapped into one! That type of b.s. behavior gives our little power boating community a bad reputation. I'm thankful that my company's name isn't plastered on the side of that boat and even more thankful that no one was injured.

348SStb 08-30-2012 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by jawbreakerkid (Post 3765473)
Wow! That video provides a perfect example of a blatant disrespect for boating laws, fellow boaters and waterfront property owners all wrapped into one! That type of b.s. behavior gives our little power boating community a bad reputation. I'm thankful that my company's name isn't plastered on the side of that boat and even more thankful that no one was injured.

Thanks, party pooper.

m3seth 08-30-2012 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by jawbreakerkid (Post 3765473)
Wow! That video provides a perfect example of a blatant disrespect for boating laws, fellow boaters and waterfront property owners all wrapped into one! That type of b.s. behavior gives our little power boating community a bad reputation. I'm thankful that my company's name isn't plastered on the side of that boat and even more thankful that no one was injured.

At what point was anyone in danger or at risk of injury other than the people in the boat? Maybe he didn't know the lake layout that well, and barely came to the inside of 2 of the no wake markers. Also, I'm sure it would have made a huge difference in the amount of wake and safety had he been 1 foot right of the 2 no wake buoys as opposed to the 1 foot left. :rolleyes:

the deep 08-30-2012 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by m3seth (Post 3766148)
At what point was anyone in danger or at risk of injury other than the people in the boat? Maybe he didn't know the lake layout that well, and barely came to the inside of 2 of the no wake markers. Also, I'm sure it would have made a huge difference in the amount of wake and safety had he been 1 foot right of the 2 no wake buoys as opposed to the 1 foot left. :rolleyes:

:kiss: :ernaehrung004:

Frequency 08-30-2012 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by m3seth (Post 3766148)
At what point was anyone in danger or at risk of injury other than the people in the boat? Maybe he didn't know the lake layout that well, and barely came to the inside of 2 of the no wake markers. Also, I'm sure it would have made a huge difference in the amount of wake and safety had he been 1 foot right of the 2 no wake buoys as opposed to the 1 foot left. :rolleyes:

Oh, I see your point! He didn't know the layout of the lake, so to play it safe he ran alongside the docks at speeds in excess of 100 mph. I'm on the party pooper bandwagon! :rolleyes:

The potential danger was to those that might have been inside the no wake areas. The fact that no one was there is no excuse. If you don't know the lake you should be more careful. I understand the boat needing to stay closer to shore being it's a 29 and you would get beat up running in the middle of the channel like we were, but if you are going so fast that you don't have time to react to the markers you are going too fast.

redbud35 08-30-2012 07:06 PM

The problem with the video is it gives the WP proof. That's why the folks that boat here EVERY weekend are upset about it. They put speed limits on our poker runs already. We don't need to give them anymore ammunition against the powerboaters, they already hate us. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Doc gets a call from the WP about it.

the deep 08-30-2012 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by redbud35 (Post 3766195)
The problem with the video is it gives the WP proof. That's why the folks that boat here EVERY weekend are upset about it. They put speed limits on our poker runs already. We don't need to give them anymore ammunition against the powerboaters, they already hate us. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Doc gets a call from the WP about it.

I like your post and i understand .

mpally 08-30-2012 10:17 PM


Originally Posted by m3seth (Post 3766148)
At what point was anyone in danger or at risk of injury other than the people in the boat? Maybe he didn't know the lake layout that well, and barely came to the inside of 2 of the no wake markers. Also, I'm sure it would have made a huge difference in the amount of wake and safety had he been 1 foot right of the 2 no wake buoys as opposed to the 1 foot left. :rolleyes:

Ok, you and your kids go swim off a dock and I'll jump in a boat and run 100 plus 50 to 75 ft from you. Then you and your kids can tell me if it's safe or not. :rolleyes:

And don't try to tell me that he knew there was no one swimming off the docks. At that speed there is no way he could have seen that. If he couldn't see the bouys that stick 3 ft out of the water, he's not going to see kids swimming in the water.

It makes sense to buzz docks at 100 mph if your unfamiliar with the lake.

I don't know what's worse, the fact that he drove like that or the fact that there are people that don't see anything wrong with the way he drove the boat.

BBCLiberator 08-30-2012 10:19 PM


Originally Posted by mpally (Post 3766366)
Ok, you and your kids go swim off a dock and I'll jump in a boat and run 100 plus 50 to 75 ft from you. Then you and your kids can tell me if it's safe or not. :rolleyes:

And don't try to tell me that he knew there was no one swimming off the docks. At that speed there is no way he could have seen that. If he couldn't see the bouys that stick 3 ft out of the water, he's not going to see kids swimming in the water.

It makes sense to buzz docks at 100 mph if your unfamiliar with the lake.

I don't know what's worse, the fact that he drove like that or the fact that there are people that don't see anything wrong with the way he drove the boat.

Exactly, and I don't think those are no wake markers, that's marking a swimming area, right??? More importantly, if people on here think its a bad idea, just think how the people who live there feel who own a pontoon boat witha 40 horse on it...if that was my place, I'd be furious.

Did I mention it's a really sweet boat though???

FREEDOM US1 08-30-2012 10:31 PM


Originally Posted by AeroMarineOne_Girl (Post 3763630)
Congradulations from all of us at Aero Marine! We are proud that our windshield is on the Outerlimits 29 V - it looks amazing! I really enjoyed meeting you and your wife at LOTTO!

Carmen

Carmen, The Windshield on this 29 V is made by Triumph. We are proud of our windshields as well. Thanks for the compliment. :) It looks really cool!!!! Your pleasure windows look great as well on the other 29 Vs

mpally 08-30-2012 10:43 PM


Originally Posted by BBCLiberator (Post 3766371)
Exactly, and I don't think those are no wake markers, that's marking a swimming area, right??? More importantly, if people on here think its a bad idea, just think how the people who live there feel who own a pontoon boat witha 40 horse on it...if that was my place, I'd be furious.

Did I mention it's a really sweet boat though???

Those are no wake bouys. However, it's common for people to swim off the docks. The no wake bouys are 100 ft from the dock. With as wide as the lake is, there is no reason for him to run within 100 ft of the docks. If the middle of the lake is too rough for that boat, then back off the throttles.

m3seth 08-31-2012 12:42 AM


Originally Posted by mpally (Post 3766366)
Ok, you and your kids go swim off a dock and I'll jump in a boat and run 100 plus 50 to 75 ft from you. Then you and your kids can tell me if it's safe or not. :rolleyes:



Yes, you are correct, it would have been much safer for me and my non-existant kids if he would have been 1 foot to the right of the no wake buoy as opposed to 1 foot to the left of where he was. Excuse me. lol

Seriously, I understand the point some of you are trying to make as far as the water patrol goes. However, any of you saying he was operating unsafely because he was a foot left of the no wake buoy as opposed to the other side a foot is just wanting something to bicker about.

kylemenz1 08-31-2012 01:01 AM

I'll be the first to say that looked like an awesome ride!! But I will also say that buzzing buy parked or slow moving boats at over 100mph, what looks to be no more then 10' away in some cases, is not safe. There were many unsafe things in that video that could have gone real bad real quick. I'm happy nothing did and the people in the boat had a fun time. But I'm pretty sure there are some people out there saying "did you see the a-hole in the fast boat!?! They almost killed us!!"

Donzi ZX 08-31-2012 05:11 AM


Originally Posted by m3seth (Post 3766148)
At what point was anyone in danger or at risk of injury other than the people in the boat? Maybe he didn't know the lake layout that well, and barely came to the inside of 2 of the no wake markers. Also, I'm sure it would have made a huge difference in the amount of wake and safety had he been 1 foot right of the 2 no wake buoys as opposed to the 1 foot left. :rolleyes:

Good luck trying that explanation to the WP. BTW - he's quite a bit more than "1 foot" within the no wake zone. He's also on plane in the middle of a no wake zone again at around 21:00. He's driving one of the most publicized boats on the run, breaking basic navigational laws, and then posting video proof of it on youtube. Nice single-handed effort to ruin the sport for all. Total asshat move, in my opinion.

Indy 08-31-2012 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by m3seth (Post 3766414)
Yes, you are correct, it would have been much safer for me and my non-existant kids if he would have been 1 foot to the right of the no wake buoy as opposed to 1 foot to the left of where he was. Excuse me. lol

One foot to the left - violation
One foot to the right - within the law

We have enough regs coming down on us, no sense in hastening the process.

Frequency 08-31-2012 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by m3seth (Post 3766414)
Yes, you are correct, it would have been much safer for me and my non-existant kids if he would have been 1 foot to the right of the no wake buoy as opposed to 1 foot to the left of where he was. Excuse me. lol

Seriously, I understand the point some of you are trying to make as far as the water patrol goes. However, any of you saying he was operating unsafely because he was a foot left of the no wake buoy as opposed to the other side a foot is just wanting something to bicker about.

You are missing the whole point Sir. I think most of us would agree that staying 50 - 100 ft outside of the markers would have been the responsible way to conduct yourself at those speeds.

mpally 08-31-2012 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by m3seth (Post 3766414)
Yes, you are correct, it would have been much safer for me and my non-existant kids if he would have been 1 foot to the right of the no wake buoy as opposed to 1 foot to the left of where he was. Excuse me. lol.

Give me one sensible reason why he wasn't running 200 ft outside the no wake zone? There is no reason why he should even be close to the no wake zone except he is a complete a$$hat without a clue. If that's the case, he has no place on the lake.

cbell 08-31-2012 06:30 PM

Probably good that Mr Forehand didn't try to take evasive acting when he finally saw the bouy. This Boat would have probably ended up like the other 29 OL that tried to turn at speed!!!! Bobbing Upside Down!
Everyone who thinks his actions were OK has a serious misconception of safety, he didn't accidentally end up near the docks. Watch the video, he was racing, picking a cleaner line with smoother water to allow the smaller boat to hang with the bigger boats, he aimed it there.
They were even bragging about starting late and running down and passing bigger boats to prove the new boat.

omerta one 08-31-2012 08:46 PM

I think it's great to see Doc Jansen stepping up and putting up, competing and pushing the envelope. The sport would be fortunate to have more like him.

Likewise I find it unfortunate that his hired gun doesn't excercize better judgement and provides fodder for the "dark side". There is simply no excuse for that performance during a "fun run".

mpally 09-01-2012 02:39 AM

I am surprised Doc Jansen has not made more of a statement about this incident. I would not have thought he would just look the other way. This is his home lake and I'm sure he doesn't want to do anything which limits our use of the lake.

flat rate 09-01-2012 07:57 PM

how much lighter is the outerlimits than watch your back? Will it still be faster when it is weighed down to legal race weight?

Donzi ZX 09-01-2012 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by Saratoga Stamped (Post 3764134)
Everytime I find my self in New York, I think the taxi cab drivers, navigate with there paying customers as true "asshat w stunts".

Boat riding in a midwest ( LOTO) poker run may actually be safer, than any car in NY.

If you were at LOTO ,last weekend) hope you enjoyed the hospitality, and all the options for marine activities

Doc, I think it's pathetic your only response to this video is to slam new yorkers. If you think it's ok to drive like that, do the East Coast a favor and keep your boats on that side of the Mississippi.

TBAG 09-01-2012 10:58 PM


Originally Posted by Donzi ZX (Post 3767353)
Doc, I think it's pathetic your only response to this video is to slam new yorkers. If you think it's ok to drive like that, do the East Coast a favor and keep your boats on that side of the Mississippi.

:poopoo:

Comanche3Six 09-01-2012 11:04 PM

Love it!

skate 09-02-2012 12:02 AM

As a property owner on a lake with kids who swim off the dock in the no wake zone and an owner of a high performance catermaran who enjoys hanging it all out there, this is absolutely unsafe and irresponsible operation which put others at risk and my prviledgs as a power boater in jeapordy. Nothing is more important than operating in a manner which provides for the Saftey of you your passengers and others. Total BS trying to justify driving like this.

waterboy222 09-02-2012 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by skate (Post 3767406)
As a property owner on a lake with kids who swim off the dock in the no wake zone and an owner of a high performance catermaran who enjoys hanging it all out there, this is absolutely unsafe and irresponsible operation which put others at risk and my prviledgs as a power boater in jeapordy. Nothing is more important than operating in a manner which provides for the Saftey of you your passengers and others. Total BS trying to justify driving like this.

100% agree.

waterboy222 09-02-2012 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by Indy (Post 3766470)
One foot to the left - violation
One foot to the right - within the law

We have enough regs coming down on us, no sense in hastening the process.

Our lake the rule is 25' of no-wake buoys. Pretty sure LOTO has something similar. Its all about perception. If someone is sitting on their deck and see a boat run inside the no wake zone of a homeowners dock, how is that homeowner going to see how close you were to the buoy?

We already cause a ton of damage to that lake, docks and other casual pleasure boaters that weekend. Do we really need to add fuel to the fire by driving like this?

By the way, did you get 1st place driving that way?

djkool99usa 09-04-2012 11:38 PM

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djkool99usa 09-04-2012 11:46 PM


Originally Posted by Saratoga Stamped (Post 3764134)
Everytime I find my self in New York, I think the taxi cab drivers, navigate with there paying customers as true "asshat w stunts".

Boat riding in a midwest ( LOTO) poker run may actually be safer, than any car in NY.

If you were at LOTO ,last weekend) hope you enjoyed the hospitality, and all the options for marine activities

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f2...epItClassy.jpg

PhantomChaos 09-05-2012 12:25 AM

Jerk-off
Irresponsible
Inconsiderate
Reckless
Mindless
Capricious
Immature
Thoughtless
Unconcerned
Rash
Unheeding
Careless
Unthinking
Negligent
Sloppy
Volatile
Unreasonable

...............just a few words that come to mind regarding the OP video and vessel operators.

Brad 09-05-2012 01:50 AM

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