Originally Posted by kreed

Before this gets outta hand....we should prolly agree that a Cig is a better designed boat for wave crushing, and a Fountain is designed more for speed. 2 totally different goals with these boats and I think each manufacturer hit their goals right on the money making them both great boats for their specific design. Comparing each to the others purpose will get no where....except an arguement.

Originally Posted by boatnt

you may want to look in to that,,not all are different builds



actually it is,,,
he has always said you can take any of his boats right off the assembly line and race them,,they are build the same way as any of his race boats..

Originally Posted by Full Force

Good for the rough.....!!

Originally Posted by jbraun2828

How about the kilo world record boat. Is that built like all the rest too?

Originally Posted by Racerngr1

If you were in the market for a good rough water boat what qualities would you look for?

What are some things you look for in a good rough water boat? Good is a loose term in this context meaning good to/for you as is rough water is going to mean different things to the boaters of Lake Havasu as opposed to the boaters of Lake Michigan.

So discussing hull designs, what makes a boat perform better in the rough over one another? Is it the deadrise of the boat, the strakes, steps, weight, freeboard, length, a combination of several, preference, or the details that all add together in relation to where the strakes are on the bottom etc.....

I'm not trying to turn this into a brand basing thread discussing how Fountains aren't really 42' etc. or Apache rules the rough, I'm trying to keep it more factual in the sense of what makes a boat better than others in the rough?

Originally Posted by dba900

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Sutphens. They're the only boat on the market (that I know of) with a 26 degree V and are superb rough water boats.

To the "bonded" versus "glassed" deck debate: When I was a kid we had a one-year-old 272 Formula, followed by a two-year-old Sonic 33 SE. After one year of running the Formula, the cabin was coming to pieces, the deck was ripping off in spots (this after re-tightening the screws) and the gas tank was leaking. The Sonic was run just as hard for several years without issue and ended up with a pair of Hawk 650s. I like Formulas and the Sonic was quite a bit longer, but there's no question that a fully glassed deck is a huge advantage. Land our '78 Sutphen off a wave and the deck hatches don't even rattle. There aren't too many new boats built that solidly and never mind 35-year-old boats!

Originally Posted by outlawfun

What other boats are built like this and who has pictures, it's nice to see how thier made.