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12-17-2012 | 08:51 AM
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As an variable outsider lookin in I was under the impression that the reason why SVL was growing so well was that there were so many very good boats out there, ex A-boats or some a bit newer that someone could buy, rig or rerig and go racing competively for relatively short money. I would have gone that way myself it it wasn't for wanting a weekend boat as well.
Most of the drivers and owners that I've met are workin guys who come from p classes and various open boats . Are they going to go out and spend that kind of dough ,200k plus as Typhoon says, on a new rig? I wouldn't. How many are out there that would? I know people that are trying to sell brand new boats for what they have in resin costs and not succeeding .
To all you SVL guys, keep doin what your doing cause its fun to watch. If it were me in a 30 svl and I had 6-9 other buddies I ran with deck to deck all the time I would want to keep a mongrle boat out. If that same boat came up with 4 others then start a new class. BTW what happened with the prop dyno thing I remembered hearing about last spring?
Brian
Most of the drivers and owners that I've met are workin guys who come from p classes and various open boats . Are they going to go out and spend that kind of dough ,200k plus as Typhoon says, on a new rig? I wouldn't. How many are out there that would? I know people that are trying to sell brand new boats for what they have in resin costs and not succeeding .
To all you SVL guys, keep doin what your doing cause its fun to watch. If it were me in a 30 svl and I had 6-9 other buddies I ran with deck to deck all the time I would want to keep a mongrle boat out. If that same boat came up with 4 others then start a new class. BTW what happened with the prop dyno thing I remembered hearing about last spring?
Brian
12-17-2012 | 09:06 AM
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just curious
Why is it that a non-equipment owner is representing and making decisions about rules in the class? back in the day, you had to be an owner to contribute to the class rules?
You think its bad now...wait till Smitty comes out with his cheater motor...
Why is it that a non-equipment owner is representing and making decisions about rules in the class? back in the day, you had to be an owner to contribute to the class rules?
You think its bad now...wait till Smitty comes out with his cheater motor...
12-17-2012 | 10:08 AM
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12-17-2012 | 10:24 AM
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Maybe its as simple then as just changing the name of the class then. I would be ok with going back to Factory 1 if its something thats not going to start old trade mark issues. If so then we can possably come up with something differant. I believe Steve M. suggested this 3 years ago when the Fountain came out.
12-17-2012 | 12:00 PM
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Randy,
I am being polite in this request and yes the reasons are 110% selfish, but please dont use "Factory1". I am pretty sure, havent researched it, that the TM has expired for the phrase, but my reasoning is as follows: 1) on the MSO for my boat it lists the model of my boat as "Fever Factory 1" and I am sure that a few other manufactures included that term as their model as well...2) After our unsuccessful attempts at bringing F1 back (30 ft and under single, Open) I even considered changing my screen name as we were never able to recover from the damage that Mercury caused back in 2002, but decided to leave it alone as the screen name was/is my identity and I am definitely not one to hide behind a screen name.
Name change is great, I even suggested it earlier in this thread to you, but do you want every time I post to be a reflection of your new class name?
Trent
I am being polite in this request and yes the reasons are 110% selfish, but please dont use "Factory1". I am pretty sure, havent researched it, that the TM has expired for the phrase, but my reasoning is as follows: 1) on the MSO for my boat it lists the model of my boat as "Fever Factory 1" and I am sure that a few other manufactures included that term as their model as well...2) After our unsuccessful attempts at bringing F1 back (30 ft and under single, Open) I even considered changing my screen name as we were never able to recover from the damage that Mercury caused back in 2002, but decided to leave it alone as the screen name was/is my identity and I am definitely not one to hide behind a screen name.
Name change is great, I even suggested it earlier in this thread to you, but do you want every time I post to be a reflection of your new class name?
Trent
12-17-2012 | 06:32 PM
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Randy,
I am being polite in this request and yes the reasons are 110% selfish, but please dont use "Factory1". I am pretty sure, havent researched it, that the TM has expired for the phrase, but my reasoning is as follows: 1) on the MSO for my boat it lists the model of my boat as "Fever Factory 1" and I am sure that a few other manufactures included that term as their model as well...2) After our unsuccessful attempts at bringing F1 back (30 ft and under single, Open) I even considered changing my screen name as we were never able to recover from the damage that Mercury caused back in 2002, but decided to leave it alone as the screen name was/is my identity and I am definitely not one to hide behind a screen name.
Name change is great, I even suggested it earlier in this thread to you, but do you want every time I post to be a reflection of your new class name?
Trent
I am being polite in this request and yes the reasons are 110% selfish, but please dont use "Factory1". I am pretty sure, havent researched it, that the TM has expired for the phrase, but my reasoning is as follows: 1) on the MSO for my boat it lists the model of my boat as "Fever Factory 1" and I am sure that a few other manufactures included that term as their model as well...2) After our unsuccessful attempts at bringing F1 back (30 ft and under single, Open) I even considered changing my screen name as we were never able to recover from the damage that Mercury caused back in 2002, but decided to leave it alone as the screen name was/is my identity and I am definitely not one to hide behind a screen name.
Name change is great, I even suggested it earlier in this thread to you, but do you want every time I post to be a reflection of your new class name?
Trent
I have only been in this game for a short period of time, but I have gotten to see 1st hand what the differences are between the 2 organizations in this class. What drew me to this class is close competition. It's about the team and the set up. Not having to worry about whether the other guy is running a hot motor, whatever. The boats are paired equally in their class respectively for their org.
Look at OPA this past year in SVL. You had 3 boats with new factory sealed motors from Merc: Pirates, Octane, and TUG IT.. Typhoon and Wild Ride had factory sealed 525's from Merc w/ roughly 3 seasons on them. Absolutely Not has a 525 and not sure of the history there, but all boats were competitive during the season and NO 1 TEAM Dominated.. In my opinion it was awesome! Every time we went out to race you really didn't know who was gonna win, everybody had a shot. Octane had a couple wins, Pirate had a couple wins, Wild Ride in OC, Tug It hung in for a 2nd in Solomons, Typhoon was runnin 2nd or 3rd every race.. After running with all of these guys for the season I know in my heart that nobody was messing with the motors. We all ran stock 525's from Merc.
Now I'm sure that what I'm about to say will be ripped apart, and I'm not pointing fingers or laying blame anywhere, but F*** it, this is the way it went. We all went to the Worlds in Jupiter and were running against a couple of SBI boats along with some of the normal crew from OPA.. The 2 SBI boats ran awesome. These are some great guys with some great boats who followed OPA's rules to a "T".. They ran very tight with each other, pretty much leaving the rest of the field in the dust (so to speak). These boats are running a little over 600 hp from what I'm told. The only other boat that could really keep within striking distance was Buccaneer Pawn who runs an OPA legal motor.. Even they were trailing behind a pretty good distance by the end of the races. Pirates and Typhoon stayed pretty tight the whole weekend and Tug It had mechanical problems all weekend bringing up the rear.
Now, again this is just my opinion from what I've seen this year, but how can 2 boats from SBI totally dominate these races against a class that had been running so tight with each other the rest of the season??? Seems like that little bit of extra Horsepower makes a difference to me.. Now I know that there are always many other contributing factors in how a race turns out, but you can't tell me that there isn't a difference in how these engines perform in basically the same boats between the 2 organizations after what I saw this season.. If so, I guess I need to go on some Meds too..
My point to all this Sh*t is: To anybody out there who is looking to get into this class, don't let all this crap make you shy away.. This is an AWESOME class with great people and it is FUN AS HELL!! There is probably nothing wrong w/ SBI rules if u wanna run just SBI.. There is some stuff in OPA's rules that are being adressed now that make it fine if you just wanna run OPA.. But until there is a happy medium between the 2 organizations, or someone much smarter than me comes up with a solution, there's always gonna be BS no matter what class ur in.. For now, I know I'm hangin in there BECAUSE it is fun.. That's kinda the point rite?
Later. Kev
