I wouldn't beg. I would go cray cray and lawyer up.

Wow!

But on the bright side the CIg is due any day correct?

Unfortunely part of ordering a new boat. I know the frustration, but its worth the wait, statement is top notch

In all fairness Wild, there is a lot more to this story then Statement not delivering a boat on time.

You got that right, but I can only go by what I know - nick told me Delos boat would be done by the end of may, then he told me sometime in June. It's now the middle of July and still not done - I can only post what I know and those are the facts. If nick would have said July then I would have not said anything, but they have been lieing to me for 11 months and I'm sick of, Alex you wouldn't stand for this with with anyone and I know your home customers wouldn't either - all I have ever asked for is just some honesty and realistic timelines and they can't deliver - that's the fact, all the other stuff is the "more story" you are talking about, I only care about one thing and I keep getting lied to

I meant take it to some other shop and beg them to finish it!

Might be better than getting nothing at all!

Wow!! Bummer deal for sure.

Do you mean Last May, then August, then Key west 2012 then Miami boat show 2013 then maybe 2014???.....I cant wait to see the Cig Chris!

Well, I don't have a dog in this fight but I do feel for the people posting here with regards to getting their boats built
The biggest worry I would have is 1, getting the boat completed, 2 getting all the post build bugs out of it, and 3,
getting what I paid for. I have seen several statements in other shops being debugged with mostly rigging problems
Good luck to all

My friend bought a used boat from them and wanted new power. He gave them his trade and a large down and a promise of delivery in 6 weeks . They blew his down payment on who knows what and it took 3 months to get his boat. And at the same time took his trade out and beat it to death and killed a engine. When he took his new boat it was so ****ed up he had to take it to real rigger in Fort Myers and spend another 30k to have it totally re rigged . I would never buy a statement after what they did to my friend.

Jim Darr, the expert on taking delivery of new boats.

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Is that the waiting on boat?

Saw it on Facebook and loved it.

Wow that is nice!

Beautiful boat

thats the one, but its still not delivered as it says on there site- it was promissed to DELO on the 26th (once again he had a bunch of people down for the grand delivery) and it didnt make it, and promissed to him on August 2 and its still not delivered - from what ive heard its still not delivered

beautiful boat..wouldn't have done the tan interior though.

I picked up the new 35CC for PBC Saturday, it is now at PBC ready for sale. (see their web site)

My observations, up close and personal. Statement is trying HARD, they are a new company in a VERY hard start up market. There was a number of boats(5?) being built in the facility. In different stages. Only a hand full of employees working on Saturday, but those working, were working hard and took great pride in what they were building.

One has to ask themself: How does anyone come through the last few years and expect everything to be back the way it was before the down turn? ie: parts supply, workforce, speed? And then not allow it to overwhelm you/company and leave it sitting vulnerable, should the market take another hit? Let alone, being a new company during the worst times in American History. I personally applaud them for putting their family's, and bank accounts behind such a overwhelming venture.

You could tell, there is growing pains, but they are working through them. One thing I have noticed in this thread, as well as others; the nay-sayers seem to have an agenda, I look forward to the company as a whole making it through the start up, It cant be easy...

As for the boat, it looks amazing and the fit and finish were top notch. Each place I stopped for fuel gathered a group of people wanting to ask about it. You don't get that with every manufacturer, especially on the CC line...

Boat is Beautiful and worth any amount of wait time.

These are completely custom one off boats....god forbid some delays happend.

That's all fine and well, however the rules of business are simple and finite. When you take a clients money for a product or service, you are obligated to give said product or service in a specified time frame. there is simply no excuse for having a product that has been paid for for quite a number of months not delivered, then on top of that lack luster communication. One failure doesn't constitute another.

Could not agree more with this statement (no pun intended). Once you take an order from a customer and enter into a contract you need to perform and using the economy as an excuse is just that an "excuse". We may live in a "just in time" manufacturing economy but it's nothing new it's been going on for years now and if you are organized and prepared its not a big deal you just plan your "build" according to equipment delivery schedules.

I don't have a dog in this fight and would only consider a CC if I lived near the ocean where you could fish all the time and don't quite get the new excitement about them. That being said this is an age old story in the marine industry for some company's, "over promise and under deliver" it's a recipe for failure in any business venture no matter how nice or well constructed a product is. From what I've seen of their finished products they are top notch but so are a number of other manufactures of CC's like Nor-Tech, Sunsation, Deep Impact, Cigarette & MTI.

Probably still at the factory awaiting rod holder installation, then it becomes a C.C..
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I don't disagree with either observation of business, most of us are self employed and understand what it takes. I am in no way making any excuses for anyone,just making an observation of my own. And I think if you look at the history of any..... Boat company, you will find an issue somewhere. Well really any company that exists, nothing always goes smooth, no matter who you are...

That being said, My hope is in the early stages of developing a business all parties involved can and will understand both sides, make adjustments, open communications and help eliminate the "growing pain" bugs. That way everyone can and will prosper in the future.

Glad it was delivered. I really like the boat and hope they get through the growing pains

I can tell you one thing.. If my boat was more than a couple months late I'd be flying to the factory multiple times and I'd have local people following up for me on a regular basis. At some point they'd also get a letter from me with an agreed to deadline of some sort. Hopefully the new owner was proactive during the delays like I would have been.

On the flip side, I just waited 2 months for a simple drive oil reservoir from Company A.... I'm glad it wasn't a must have item!

That being said, My hope is in the early stages of developing a business all parties involved can and will understand both sides, make adjustments, open communications and help eliminate the "growing pain" bugs. That way everyone can and will prosper in the future.

Not trying to say the wrong thing here but hasn't Statement been up and running for over 4 years now? So its really not a startup

Look at the industry in a whole. Up untill the beginning of this year, how many New boats have been made with any company, new company or existing. I would guess the number to be VERY small. So even though a company may be going on it's 4th year overall, they are in no way a seasoned company when it comes to production, and manufacturing.

Keep in mind, this will also effect your priority from the vendors. Like it or not, a vendor is going to take the best care of their largest clients first, then longest, then the new guys on the block. So even with the best of intentions, when you make a production timeline, it can and will be adjusted by outside forces, you just could not expect. Relying on other people is the down side of most every business, plain and simple...

It keeps coming back to communication... It is always needed. Even the bad news can make you feel better as long as you know what is going on. In my business, my opening line is always.... "you are about to have a bad day", then I explain how their priority is changing.... You would be surprised just how relived most people are even though it is bad news, because now they can deal with it and move on. They no longer have to worry and wonder...

So is it ----- OU want some FISH-----

Or---- OU want some Stank ----

good lookin rig

"lack luster communication'? Were you on on the line?
Every person involved in this is a friend of mine. We're getting the typical one-sided speculation from the peanut gallery and you should take that into consideration.
Is delivery late? Seems like it is. Why is that? Well, we got no shortage of speculation. Ever stop to think that maybe change orders might have played into the equation?
How about factors that none of us is aware of?
You guys are making Statement sound like a bunch of rip off artists and you know damn well they aren't.

I say this because these guys are my friends, and I suspect you would and do call them friends as well. Way too quick around here to cast blame.
Stop being jerks. Nick and Todd are great guys, are putting their hearts and souls into the boats they build and it shows.

When I was at the plant Saturday, I was was lucky enough to see the "pride" and dedication from seeing the projects come to fruition. It is inspiring. Plus it was appreciated how when we needed to do adjustments to the trailer, it wasn't sorry, you are on your own, or that will cost you ___ to get it fixed, rather, Lets get it done....

I was nosy as well, looking around the shop, asking questions etc... Granted I have no personal stake in this transaction, other than hauling it, but I do have concern for my friends that are going to be handling them as their dealer in Missouri.

I have been around the block a few times, closed down hundreds of businesses over the years for my clients and been first hand at what can go wrong even when you are way too close to a transaction to see the problem. So I have an unusual sense of observation. Their are those that expect something to happen for them and those that will make it happen. My observation of this week, is they will not only survive but prosper. Just need to work out a few kinks. I still feel whole hardheartedly, their air ride cockpit will be what everyone strives for in the future of boating,

Nice you have a set of balls, Jay. Friends or not these guys aren't living hand to mouth. Nobody has a clue what is going on behind the scenes but Statement and the customer. And I have to assume the customer has enough money that he doesn't spend his time on chat forums to respond.

Too bad there are people in this world waiting for others to fail to make them feel good. See the Spectre repo thread. I would have thought Jason would have deleted it for the sake of his own credibility.

I certainly was happy getting a ride out on this one with the Wounded Warriors boat rides our club put on in Atlantic City.

Once I get some spare time a Video will be made and part of it will be from the ride on this boat including the sport fish boat wake we hit. The boat impressed the hell out of me !!!

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Jason's credibility is not at stake. Not even close. Nor is mine. We reported the repossession story accurately (even the attorney's on both sides said they thought it was fair) and posted it here. I have no comment on the comments made in the thread for that story except to say—that's what happens on message boards. People comment. Sometimes intelligently and sometimes not. But that's not ours to control, and in no way do those comments on a news story we accurately reported reflect on either Jason or me.

We report good news. In fact, most of the news we report is good. But we also report bad news. That's the job.

Good to see you are watching this, Matt. However you let the choo-choo jump the tracks with no regards to anything else.

Combine that with "Chuck", whoever that questionable person may be and you pretty much alienate the OSO followers from considering a Sonic. If that is your job then you have done it well.

Now we have Statement......guess we are selling more hits on a website. Sorry, bro. I don't buy it.

Now let's take the arguement off-line and call me tomorrow. Ok?

I'll be happy to call you tomorrow. But I completely disagree with you. We reported the repossession story fairly and accurately. It seems you didn't want it reported, that's what I'm getting from you, and I am sorry but that's not how we operate. Good with the bad. It comes that way. We didn't make the news, and I can't tell you how many, many things we have not reported because we couldn't verify them. Again, the story was reported accurately and handled professionally.

To ignore a story that big is to fail to do the job. Don't blame the news media for reporting the news, especially for a story in which there was zero sensationalism or bias. It's not about hits. It's about reporting. I have seen firsthand what happens to a publication that panders and refuses to report bad news. Say goodbye to any credibility.

Pat, message boards are message board. People comment on them. I am not the conductor on this train. Jason Johnson and I share conducting duties on speedonthewater.com. That won't change—and if we had to report that story again, we'd do it the same way. People use a host of sources to inform their purchase decisions. If an accurate news story is one of them, so be it.

As for this thread, what I've read so far are mostly third party assertions. An actual news story would involve the principals involved. So I have no opinion, one way or another, based on what's been stated here.

The percentage of the herd at play... jaws of life.

Not sure what it matters if 'they' are 'living hand to mouth'... that aside, I look at it as a custom assembly line, and as there's very little wiggle room in many aspects of any form of production/fabrication of custom chit-
one little hiccup of nearly anything can throw sand in gears all kinds of negative ways that affect overall production. domino effect that's all I'm saying... pure speculation on my part.

but, gawd damn they build some nice stuff. genius design

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Matt,
there are several problems with your reporting of the story, first, people dont like to hear the truth. you guys reported a story that you could verify with facts and most people only like to hear their version of the facts. second, people with no dog in the fight feel the need to post their version of the facts or their opinion (usually stated as fact) just so they can feel like they have something important to add.
I have called you out before on your stories and you defended what you printed with perfectly good reasoning and I have accepted that even if I did not agree with you, it seems many people on here cannot do the same.
the facts in both the Statement and Frisini threads are really only known by the people directly involved in the transactions and no one else. I thought you have done a great job of reporting both the good and bad in the marine world even if most dont want the hear it. keep up the good work.
Steve Schmidt

1. why would you mix in the story about the other thread into this thread when you are trying to protect the credibility of the company involved in this thread

2. it is interesting you call people out for not knowing the full story, but you are then very quick to immediately question the credibility of "chuck" even though you clearly know nothing about him or his side of the story either

3. I do not know "chuck" and I imagine I never will.....but here is what is a FACT:

A. the company in the other thread lost possession of molds and a boat brand in a court room decided case and had those molds legally repossessed front them.....this is a simple fact

B. "chuck" traded in a boat on his new boat and that trade in has now been sold off long ago....FACT

C. "chuck" placed money in an escrow account with a dealer for his new boat this is a fact

D. "chuck" started a thread stating the dealer was not releasing the money to the builder to finish the boat....the dealer came onto this forum and disagreed with how that was stated this is a fact

E. after talking with the dealer "chuck" agreed to cut the dealer out of the deal as stated by the dealer on this forum and to indemnify the dealer from repercussions of the transaction again as stated by the dealer on this forum

F. after cutting the dealer out "chuck" was in the unenviable position of having to either go ahead and release the remainder of the escrow money in hopes the boat would be completed and delivered or he was in the position of going to court where the builder would claim that the failure of the escrow release was the cause for the inability to deliver......so if you are going to get screwed why not remove any and all excuses and make it clear you were going to be screwed and release the final money and see if the boat comes and if it is not there is no "cause" for the builder to claim was the reason for the failure to deliver

G. the only "response" that anyone associated with the builder has offered up is to come on this forum and accuse the girlfriend of a FORMER partner of being a batterer.......that is absolutely NOT related to "chuck" in any way shape or form and it lends no credibility to the builder VS "chuck" nor does it make the builder look like anything but a gossipy fool and a buffoon

so again the other builder that YOU choose to drag into this thread has legal issues that have been verified and their loss of the case dealing with those issues has been verified, they have partnership issues that have been verified, they had a dealer telling a client that they did not want to further release escrow funds because they were concerned about delivery of the product and that has been verified, the bout is built and that has been verified, "chuck" delivered a trade that has been sold long ago and that has been verified, and the escrow money was in the account and controlled by the dealer and it was down to the final payment or few payments before the dealer decided things were getting queered in the deal and that has been verified, and "chuck" took them out of the deal in an effort to simplify the overall issue if it came to be a court case type issue and that has been stated and verified by the dealer

so the ONLY question that is not verified in the deal that YOU choose to drag into this thread dealing with ANOTHER company is if the last or those last few escrow payments were made and the only response to that from anyone associated with that company to that question is to say "there is more to the story" and drag jerry springer stories about the GF of a FORMER partner into the thread.......which hardly makes them seem credible or anything other than stupid

so if you want to take up for the credibility of one company it would be a very good idea to not try and do so by calling into question the credibility of others that you know nothing about and dragging in entirely different company that HAS verified issues on multiple fronts and that has so far responded with springer show antics while ignoring that legal cases and credible dealer statements are working against them on every front

and lastly "good guys" or not when someone has hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line for a product "good guys" understand why that makes people nervous and they GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to be in CONSTANT contact with those that have large amounts of money on the line even if it is to call and say hey just letting you know I still cannot give a firm date (VS the TERRIBLE idea of calling and giving yet another "firm date" and then MISSING IT) and here are some more email photos of me holding todays paper in front of your boat and I will be in contact in 5 days again to let you know if there is or is not any progress and as soon as there is progress I will try and firm things up.....THAT may sound like hand holding and babysitting to some, but when you are babysitting someone elses $250K or $300K you should damn well understand why they expect babysitting and hand holding and why giving firm dates and then missing those dates gives them REAL cause for concern especially in todays boat market......if one can't understand that or won't understand that they should get out of the high end custom boat business and open a burger shack or a hotdog stand instead

PS....while there are people that may seem like they want to jump on the bandwagon and drag a company down one need only to read back through this forum for YEARS AND YEARS before the economy tanked to see story after story where someone raised concern about a product or a vendor only to be ridiculed and called out and then the final result was dozens more lost significantly more of their money and their ass when those issues finally exploded for good....if ANY company wants to compete in this market they are going to have to swim against that tide and succeed because they were able to do so or they should probably go ahead and pack it in and do something else

Your recent posts would have to be up there with some of the most idiotic to ever be on this website! Like really complaining about a negative report based on facts!

ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION please do not make any disparraging remarks about boat builders (even if based on facts). Allow the next mug to proceed blindly and get shafted out of their hard earned dollars.

The thing is people when they go into these deals expect reasonable delays based on all the things that people have outlined in the 100's of other pages that have dealt with these events over the years. What they dont sign up for is to be delayed months or years. There is quite simply no excuse for a job to overrun by that time. I struggle to even think of something that could cause a delay of more than a month. The only one I can come up with is incomptence.

1. Pantera. We have an actual individual who has reported HIS negative experience with this company. They basically stole Berk Senner's money and didn't deliver his boat. The company is awash in litigation. Scumbags.

2. Frisisni. We have an actual individual who has reported HIS negative experience with this company. They basically stole Chuck's money and didn't deliver his boat. The company is awash in litigation. Scumbags.

3. Statement. We have Masher and his clique making cloak and dagger innuendos (reeking with envy) about the companies failures to deliver. Not one actual individual has come forward HERE to report his negative experience. The company is growing and produces some pretty innovative stuff. They are NOT involved in litigation that I can find. If or when that ever happens, we are all free to judge them. I don't see how Statement compares even remotely to Pantera or Frisini.