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Jupiter Sunsation 05-04-2013 02:52 AM

It's back.......06 TG, former submarine
 
http://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/boa/3719695332.html

wgg 05-04-2013 06:50 AM

Wonder what his story will be this time?....Most low hour 06 Cig's need a complete overhaul with new components don't they? If he would just disclose it was a swimmer and why, someone would probably buy it for the right price

speicher lane 05-04-2013 06:51 AM

I guess the plan was to lay low after the last ruckus without disclosing (and hope everyone forgot it was a swimmer) in order to price it FMV???

POWERPLAY J 05-04-2013 08:16 AM

Salt bath = a trip to the chipper.

302Sport 05-04-2013 09:09 AM

what would you guys pay for it???

Keith Atlanta 05-04-2013 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by POWERPLAY J (Post 3918746)
Salt bath = a trip to the chipper.


Really? Couldnt you just rebuild the engines and get new harnesses?

mikebrls 05-04-2013 10:28 AM

race boat sink all the time and they pull them out of the water de rig them and dry them out and there back on the race course .

if everything was de rigged and replaced with new or rebuilt and of course the boat hull is dry with no rot there should be no problem.
I guess the big question would be if the repairs where done the Rite way .

POWERPLAY J 05-04-2013 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by Keith Atlanta (Post 3918795)
Really? Couldnt you just rebuild the engines and get new harnesses?

Every wire, connecter, fuse block, cable, etc... Needs to be replaced with new for it to be right. Assuming the hull is dry and there is a new interior to go in it. Unless it is a screaming deal and you can do all the refit yourself it can go upside down real fast. Keep in mind the performance boat community is small and the boat will always have a "history".

Flyin-Bryan 05-04-2013 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by POWERPLAY J (Post 3918857)
Every wire, connecter, fuse block, cable, etc... Needs to be replaced with new for it to be right. Assuming the hull is dry and there is a new interior to go in it. Unless it is a screaming deal and you can do all the refit yourself it can go upside down real fast. Keep in mind the performance boat community is small and the boat will always have a "history".

Yea,cause cables can't go under water:lolhit:,You can look it over and most likely just replace the wire terminals(if) the batteries were left on,flush the motors,change some fluids,fuel ect. and run it,I have seen plenty of sinkers that were fine and You could never tell ,interior and all,but it makes for good keyboard mechanics to say different.I would have no problem using that boat until I was done with My Powerplay project:party-smiley-004:

fastdonzi 05-04-2013 04:37 PM

Salt Bath -Bath Salt, Pick one :) It's Miami :)

Scott B 05-04-2013 04:39 PM

Rewire, replace. Salt is insidious, it will creep up the strands of wire and corrode them. No big deal, but the boat needs to be priced accordingly..

pstorti 05-04-2013 05:19 PM

how badly did it sink?

Jupiter Sunsation 05-04-2013 05:21 PM

A. boat is priced like a non issue 2006 TG
B. seller isn't being up front about the Titanic re-inactment
C. this boat would be fine after taking a dip IF Lipship fixed it, if not then why buy it?

302Sport 05-04-2013 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation (Post 3918963)
A. boat is priced like a non issue 2006 TG
B. seller isn't being up front about the Titanic re-inactment
C. this boat would be fine after taking a dip IF Lipship fixed it, if not then why buy it?

New parts are new parts, does Jesus Christ himself bless the boat if lip-ship fixes it??? I'm in the aircraft business and to be honest most of the worst repairs I have seen came straight off the biggest name shops floors. The reason is because they have the name and nobody questions them. Most of the best work I have ever seen comes from a small shop where the owners own name is on the line...

fastdonzi 05-04-2013 06:15 PM

I think Phil IS the Chosen one (according to popular belief), Soooo, He may have to have a Look :)

Flyin-Bryan 05-04-2013 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by Scott B (Post 3918943)
Rewire, replace. Salt is insidious, it will creep up the strands of wire and corrode them. No big deal, but the boat needs to be priced accordingly..

I had a 24'Checkmate I/O that sank in salt it sat overnight,floated it up towed it to the ramp,drained the engine,added fresh oil,hosed it all down with the garden hose,replaced the battery and fired it up,ran it for two more seasons without even a flicker in a dash light and sold it for a bigger boat.and I have seen other boats floated up and run also,as long as you flush it right away Your fine its when the air gets to it and it sits is when the real problems happen.

pslonaker 05-04-2013 08:24 PM

Of course we will disclose it to the buyer. There's nothing left in this boat that got wet, other than a fiberglass hull, and the seats, and the steering wheel, over $80k overhaul.

On May 4, 2013 7:01 PM, "craigslist reply f301" <[email protected] .org> wrote:

http://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/boa/3719695332.html


does the price include the salt water bath the boat took? Shoudn't you disclose that the boat was once a submarine


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richanton 05-04-2013 08:26 PM

Doesn't say length or power, I'm guessing it is a 38 525 boat. Can you buy one for $150k in nice shape with no issues? Not sure, I'm asking.

richanton 05-04-2013 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by pslonaker (Post 3919046)
Of course we will disclose it to the buyer. There's nothing left in this boat that got wet, other than a fiberglass hull, and the seats, and the steering wheel, over $80k overhaul.

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does the price include the salt water bath the boat took? Shoudn't you disclose that the boat was once a submarine


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This is exactly why I hate posting on craigslist, people with no money waisting my time with their stupid comments. If you are not a buyer don't waste my time.

Jupiter Sunsation 05-04-2013 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by 302Sport (Post 3918984)
New parts are new parts, does Jesus Christ himself bless the boat if lip-ship fixes it??? I'm in the aircraft business and to be honest most of the worst repairs I have seen came straight off the biggest name shops floors. The reason is because they have the name and nobody questions them. Most of the best work I have ever seen comes from a small shop where the owners own name is on the line...

I'm not a Lipship cheerleader but....Phil does it right which is the premium you pay for. Rather than do it 1/2azz Phil would just tell you to go elsewhere.

Jupiter Sunsation 05-04-2013 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by Flyin-Bryan (Post 3919022)
I had a 24'Checkmate I/O that sank in salt it sat overnight,floated it up towed it to the ramp,drained the engine,added fresh oil,hosed it all down with the garden hose,replaced the battery and fired it up,ran it for two more seasons without even a flicker in a dash light and sold it for a bigger boat.and I have seen other boats floated up and run also,as long as you flush it right away Your fine its when the air gets to it and it sits is when the real problems happen.

Ok...... But the boat was cared for the next day and you didn't gamble 150k on it. This went through an insurance salvage place (probably sat around 60-90 days from sinking to sale) and who knows who worked on it.

tomtbone1993 05-04-2013 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation (Post 3919065)
Ok...... But the boat was cared for the next day and you didn't gamble 150k on it. This went through an insurance salvage place (probably sat around 60-90 days from sinking to sale) and who knows who worked on it.

So I take it by this thread you are not interested in the purchase of this boat?

Jupiter Sunsation 05-04-2013 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by tomtbone1993 (Post 3919071)
So I take it by this thread you are not interested in the purchase of this boat?

Not me! :D

I just recall the seller was being a d!ckhead about this boat a few months back and disclosure wasn't his motive.

88bullet 05-04-2013 09:03 PM

so how much different is a boat that sank or a boat that sat on a lift in florida its whole life?? cars rot from the top down from all the salt in the air down there. any salt water boat wether it sank or not over time will develop gremilns! unless it was stored in a bubble

Powerquest230 05-04-2013 09:24 PM


Originally Posted by Flyin-Bryan (Post 3919022)
I had a 24'Checkmate I/O that sank in salt it sat overnight,floated it up towed it to the ramp,drained the engine,added fresh oil,hosed it all down with the garden hose,replaced the battery and fired it up,ran it for two more seasons without even a flicker in a dash light and sold it for a bigger boat.and I have seen other boats floated up and run also,as long as you flush it right away Your fine its when the air gets to it and it sits is when the real problems happen.

Glad yours worked out. So let me ask this- did you sell the Checkmate as previously having been sunk and how much do you think that affected the sale price?

Keith Atlanta 05-04-2013 09:34 PM


Originally Posted by Powerquest230 (Post 3919092)
Glad yours worked out. So let me ask this- did you sell the Checkmate as previously having been sunk and how much do you think that affected the sale price?


How do you flush electrical stuff? Gauges, wiring and such?

302Sport 05-04-2013 10:42 PM


Originally Posted by 88bullet (Post 3919079)
so how much different is a boat that sank or a boat that sat on a lift in florida its whole life?? cars rot from the top down from all the salt in the air down there. any salt water boat wether it sank or not over time will develop gremilns! unless it was stored in a bubble

I agree 100 percent. I've seen boats that were stored in climate controlled warehouses their whole lives, and sank once.

I've also seen boats that have sat in a rack, in salt air their whole lives.

I can tell you the boats that spent their whole lives in a building and went under once, look a hell of a lot better than the boats that spent 24 hours a day for X amount of years rotting on a lift.

Marv800 05-04-2013 11:41 PM

Sorry to be a newb, but could someone link me to the original incident where this boat submarined? I'm in the market for a boat in this pricerange

ICDEDPPL 05-05-2013 12:38 AM

I sent in my resume but now I know who beat me out of that Craiglist Police position, way to go Juniper Son sation

brian41 05-05-2013 07:10 AM

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Salt water boats suck to work on wether they sank or not. The stain"less" even needs replacing to make then nice. Over the past 3 years my shop has seen more and more slat water boats coming north and the headaches they bring with them. We had one from NY 2 years ago that we had to use a sawzall to remove the engine from its mounts. Giving any kind of estimate on tear down time can leave you short on $$$$ and plan on restoring or replacing EVERTHING thats no plastic or rubber.

This mount was from a boat "only used in brackish water"

POWERPLAY J 05-05-2013 08:18 AM

All those crazy insurance companies paying out claims for no reason. Somebody should tell them all they have to do is wash it down with a bucket and garden hose and give it back to the owner. :lolhit:

customryder 05-05-2013 06:31 PM

That was a nice boat when i bought it in 07..

CigaretteSam 05-05-2013 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by fastdonzi (Post 3918942)
Salt Bath -Bath Salt, Pick one :) It's Miami :)

:lolhit:

H20 Toie 05-06-2013 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by 302Sport (Post 3918984)
New parts are new parts, does Jesus Christ himself bless the boat if lip-ship fixes it??? I'm in the aircraft business and to be honest most of the worst repairs I have seen came straight off the biggest name shops floors. The reason is because they have the name and nobody questions them. Most of the best work I have ever seen comes from a small shop where the owners own name is on the line...

Pretty much yes :)
Phil stands behind his work and has been in this biz longer than almost anyone.

With my current boat he told me it was ready to go so i flew in, hopped on the boat and ran it 160 miles to key west, how many dealers would you trust doing that with on a used boat?

Rambocj7 05-06-2013 01:31 PM

Having bought a boat that sank, its the stuff you CAN'T see that makes you worry.

2006 Active Thunder 37'. Roll over in salt water...sat for who knows how long while insurance salvaged it. Here is what you cant' see until you get into it.

Looks good de-rigged:

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/...t/IMG_0058.jpg

Not so good after you cut into it....

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/...t/IMG_0059.jpg

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/...t/IMG_0060.jpg

Floor is finished too. Thank GOD the transom and stringers are made out of composite!!!

So same year boat, similar things happened to it. I wouldnt expect the 06 TG to be any different once you took it apart....

Flyin-Bryan 05-06-2013 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by Rambocj7 (Post 3920035)
Having bought a boat that sank, its the stuff you CAN'T see that makes you worry.

2006 Active Thunder 37'. Roll over in salt water...sat for who knows how long while insurance salvaged it. Here is what you cant' see until you get into it.

Looks good de-rigged:

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/...t/IMG_0058.jpg

Not so good after you cut into it....

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/...t/IMG_0059.jpg

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/...t/IMG_0060.jpg

Floor is finished too. Thank GOD the transom and stringers are made out of composite!!!

So same year boat, similar things happened to it. I wouldnt expect the 06 TG to be any different once you took it apart....

First off salt water does not rot wood,second judging buy the looks of Your boots and the knuckle bustin Chinese tools,You are in over Your head.:lolhit:

IROCDave 05-06-2013 06:44 PM

Wow, your trying to diminish a posters credibility about the damage done by sinking by questioning his tools? Do you really think anyones buying it? I pack that same Crescent tool kit in my boat, bought it at Costco. Also pack it in the travel trailer. A SnapOn tool box doesnt fit in the engine compartment of many boats and high end tools rust just like cheap crapsmen or chineese built Crescent.

When you sold your Checkmate did you discose the fact that it had sunk before?

Flyin-Bryan 05-06-2013 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by IROCDave (Post 3920216)
Wow, your trying to diminish a posters credibility about the damage done by sinking by questioning his tools? Do you really think anyones buying it? I pack that same Crescent tool kit in my boat, bought it at Costco. Also pack it in the travel trailer. A SnapOn tool box doesnt fit in the engine compartment of many boats and high end tools rust just like cheap crapsmen or chineese built Crescent.

When you sold your Checkmate did you discose the fact that it had sunk before?

Yes,and that was 21 years ago,I sold the boat for 10K and supplied the buyer with 10K in receipts,I just wanted back what I had into it,I still see the boat all the time,and if You would read what I wrote about salt water not rotting wood and He saying the rotted wood is from salt water and NOT sitting full of rain water then yea Credibility comes into play,and the tool thing was a joke,but I ask You this and try to answer truthfully because I can see what Your trying to do here,Would You let a repair shop work on Your boat if the guy came out with holes in His boots a bucket full of Chinese tools?come on now,be Honest.:lolhit:lets not see You act like You did in the Toyota thread

jfm 05-06-2013 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by Flyin-Bryan (Post 3920185)
First off salt water does not rot wood,second judging buy the looks of Your boots and the knuckle bustin Chinese tools,You are in over Your head.:lolhit:

If saltwater doesn't rot wood can you explain half the boats listed for sale here needing floors or transoms or stringers in NJ. Water rots wood no matter what kind it is. Salt water is just a little worse for the electronics, metals, engines, drives, and the list goes on. His Jap crap tools have nothing to do with a sinker or if he is a good boat builder. Great post!

Rambocj7 05-06-2013 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by Flyin-Bryan (Post 3920270)
Yes,and that was 21 years ago,I sold the boat for 10K and supplied the buyer with 10K in receipts,I just wanted back what I had into it,I still see the boat all the time,and if You would read what I wrote about salt water not rotting wood and He saying the rotted wood is from salt water and NOT sitting full of rain water then yea Credibility comes into play,and the tool thing was a joke,but I ask You this and try to answer truthfully because I can see what Your trying to do here,Would You let a repair shop work on Your boat if the guy came out with holes in His boots a bucket full of Chinese tools?come on now,be Honest.:lolhit:lets not see You act like You did in the Toyota thread

Excuse me?! You know nothing about me or what Im capable of doing. I dont need fancy snap-on tools to build or repair a boat: since when is that a pre-requisite?

I was merely posting an experience I had with a boat that sank. I didnt think I would get flamed for all the surroundings. Am surprised you didnt comment on the camera angle too, obviously it wasnt taken with a fancy Nikkon on a tripod.

Its a**holes like you that diminish the usefullness of forums. Would love to see you broken down on the water and drive right by you with boat full of chinese tools...


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