Here is an interesting test done by Edmunds.

http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/...ison-test.html

Using a 07 Tahoe flex fuel vehicle they did the same 667 mile round trip on back to back days to get a comparison of fuel milage between gasoline and e85. The fuel milage with the e85 was 26.5% worse, and it was probably being compared to e10 instead of no ethanol.

Its pretty obvious to me that there is absolutely no benefit to the majority of consumers when it come to ethanol fuel.

I hope TX does the same

I had similar results with a 09 Yukon on a 300 mile trip in the same day (went to pick up a puppy, then back home). The E85 was about 60 cents cheaper but didn't go as far.

That's bull****! "Friends of the Earth"... LOL! Now there is an organization we can trust LMFAO!!!

Interesting? Pretty stupid if you ask me. Alcohol has about 1/2 the energy of gasoline. So this "test" was a no brainer, AKA waste of time.

Oh yea, it's the farmer's fault. Not the EPA and requirements to have an oxygenator in the fuel. Maybe we should start using something safe like methyl tertiary butyl ether.

The problem is too many people out there think that ethanol is the cure for our oil problems. Too often people are not smart enough to look into the facts and instead just go along with what some was tells them. Hence how we have a pos communist Muslim sitting I the oval office

Oh yeah it would be nice to tell the EPA to **** off as well since they do not seem to have our best interests in mind when it comes to making decisions

its an awesome race gas, but thats about it...

ethanol was always intended as an oxygenate to replace MTBE that pollutes lakes and other water supplies

it was never intended as a replacement for gas period anyone that says that or claims that is a fool.....also at the current time ethanol serves as a means to boost octane which makes it easier for refineries to get more higher octane gas out of lower quality crude oil

without the ability to use ethanol to boost octane ratings refiners will have to use toluene or benzene or something else that will probably be more expensive and that will have more environmental ramifications or they can just get a lesser fraction of gas out of a barrel of crude oil and instead get a larger fraction of some petroleum product that has a lower value and the loss of profit from that lower value product will be passed on to gasoline

only a lazy car manufacturer or a fool that works for a car manufacturer would make claims about being the worst thing ever since in Brazil all of the major car manufacturers are making and selling cars that can run on multiple fuels from pure gas to pure ethanol and some even on propane or CNG as well and the have no issues with it.....the consumer just does some quick math (something the vast majority of American consumers are not capable of doing) and then they grab the pump handle that makes the most economic sense for them...so cars that can run just as well if not better on ethanol or any blend of ethanol and gas have been and are readily available on the world market.....except of course in the USA and cars can get as good or better mileage on a gallon of ethanol VS gas if properly configured and they can also run just as economically on a gallon of ethanol VS gas based on the price even if the mileage is lower

currently ethanol is trading cheaper than gas in all 4 months represented on the markets

http://www.gptc.com/gptc/charts-quot...ction=Energies

in the front month it is 20 cents less and in the last month it is 49 cents cheaper.....and remember there is no longer a 50 cent per gallon blenders credit the 50 cent per gallon blenders credit went away at the end of 2011 so the only "subsidy" for ethanol is the 10% renewable fuels mandate which is not a direct subsidy it only serves to provide a guaranteed market share of 10% of gas sales.....so it provides no direct cash it just means that ethanol up to the point of being 10%of gas production will have a market and after that the rest is subjected to market forces...and even if the blenders credit was still around (it is completely gone) those CBOT prices reflect the price without any blenders credit (especially now that the blenders credit is gone and even when there was a blenders credit the CBOT traded the raw product price without a credit factored in)

it is entirely possible for cars to get as good or better mileage per gallon on ethanol and ethanol blends properly configured

http://www.ethanol.org/pdf/contentmg...inal_12507.pdf

the above study done by the University of Minnesota and the University of North Dakota proves that fact....and MN and ND are hardly the major corn growing states (though MN has increasing corn acreage) and the study was peer reviewed as well so while the link is from a decidedly pro ethanol group the study itself was conducted by two universities and part of the funding was from the DOE

again Brazil has had multi-fuel cars for nearly a decade or more and they hardly are the "worst thing ever" and in fact they are very popular

http://www.salon.com/2008/08/23/multi_fuel/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexibl...cles_in_Brazil

http://www.anfavea.com.br/cartas/Carta308.pdf

83% of all cars sold in Brazil in 2011 were flex fuel cars....so whatever industry official said that ethanol was the worst thing to ever happen to cars and engines was just a pure idiot and the reason that the auto industry in the USA is failing and in decline other than foreign owned car plants.....just an uninformed lazy idiot period

are there issues with ethanol yes there are with older cars and boats not make to run on it or to have it in their tanks....should this be a concern yes it should be, but the owner of those vehicles should share some of the responsibility for purchasing the proper fuels and non-ethanol gas is still available and I think the hype about 10% blends is really overrated....I think it is lazy boat mechanics and lazy engine builders that would rather take the easy way out and blame ethanol VS blaming the type of boater that buys a boat and then lets it sit up for 15 months between uses and then wonders why everything is gummed up and rotting.....instead of saying hey how about using your boat every so often or how about letting your car sit up for 15 months and see how well it runs they simply blame the E10 boogie man and send the large bill and wash their hands of it

people have been having issues with gummed up fuel systems and crappy running boat engines since boats have been in existence since boats have been in existence because a large % of people do not run their boat often enough and do not store it properly when it is not running....IMO that is what about 90% of boating "cost" and the break out another thousand crap comes from...people that expect to hop in a boat once every 6 months on a major holiday and hit the key and then everything just runs perfect and they run the hell out of it, drag it out of the water, store it uncovered under the shade tree and 6 months later repeat....until they are blocking the ramp on a major holiday trying to do a major engine rebuild with vice grips....but oh yea it is the ethanol!!!!!.....damn ethanol!!!!....killed my battery and I sucked up sand because I was too close to shore trying to jump by floating turd off...DAMN ETHANOL!!!!...my battery never went dead with a tank of gas!!!!

and it is just amazing that as someone else pointed out methanol and other alcohol fueled engines are considered HIGH performance....yet ethanol kills regular engines!!

I seriously doubt that most people are going to end up with what they think they will end up with if ethanol is done away with....I am about 100% positive they will see higher prices at the pump especially for the higher octane rated fuels, many of them will still have issues with their boat because they have no business owning a boat and as benzene or toluene and other things come back into fuels they will find the green wackos back out in force trying to go after boats in general and going after exhaust and exhaust into water and on and on

really ethanol should be an extremely well mated fuel for boats especially considering the environmental issues with gas and water and the exhaust issues into water and considering that a properly built engine can have much higher performance VS weight with alcohol fuels and alcohol can run cooler as well.....but the engine manufacturers and boat builders just refuse to come to grips with that and they would rather blame ethanol than educate their buyers and turn boating into something that could be viewed as environmentally less harmful than it was in the past....I guess it is easier to watch 2 strokes go by the wayside in favor of heavier and more complex and much more expensive 4 strokes than think outside the box and do things that are already not that difficult to do

Wow.... Someone needs to take a Valium. Or works for the industry, not sure. I has seen what the ethanol does to engines first hand. Small engines especially. They have destroyed them, and these don't sit for more than a few days at most. Everything else has been kept the same. The only thIng that changed was the fuel. Many of the landscape companies around here converted their mowers to run on propane. After talking with 2 different ones they said there was 2 main reasons, it's cheaper to run on propane. The bigger one was they both were tired of the blown motors from the ethanol in the fuel. Non ethanol fuel is very hard to come by around here.

Bill hasn't been presented to Gov yet, once presented he has two weeks to pass or veto. Should know the outcome in a few weeks, status on FL bills can be found here- http://www.flgov.com/bill-action/

Texas vines you need to open your eyes. Ethanol is tearing up engines and fuel systems. Mercury was asked to do one of their test programs on 4 of their engines on e15. The classic 200 hp mercury outboard didn't make it. They found that the 2 stroke oil didn't stay suspended in the e15 allowing it to lubricate the engine properly. The 300 hp verado that was tested, completed the test, so mercury continued the test. The engine made it to the 340 or so hour mark before the exhaust valves started failing. The small 9.9 4 stroke did complete the test. The sterndrive catalyst engine was able to complete the test, but hey found that the e15 fuel had completely destroyed the catalytic converters. Have you ever priced out the cost to replace those?
I have first hand seen the damage caused, to fuel hoses, pumps, carburetors, and fuel injectors, not to mention, the fuel tanks in some boats.

I am guessing you are some how getting paid to support ethanol fuels. That is the only possible reason that would explain your stance.